ED listen to this: Idea to promote more people online.

[Pilotasso]

We know that there are thousands of people who play Lockon, but very few apear to fly online, so for BS we risk even fewer.

 

I hereby apeal to ED to include something in the BS CD to immidiatly promote online flying for anyone that gets his hands on the CD at to run the install program.

 

I would expect some sort of sponsoring deal or something that will allow ED to print on the box or CD, or even include Hyperlobby in the installation procedure to give any future players the idea theres an important online component ready to use.

 

People are LAZY. Most wont come online because they dont bother spend any time googling internet to know where we play online.

[GGTharos]

There is more to it than that.

First off, every mission out there is Air-Quake.

 

Secondly, the no-dedicated-server issue is ... a really big issue. It means that to host a server you must pay a lot more because there are some big graphical requirements.

[GGTharos]

A dedi requires a new engine - if a dedi happens, it iwll happen when the new engine comes out.

[504Goon]

There is more to it than that.

First off, every mission out there is Air-Quake.

 

That might change soon...;)

[Esac_mirmidon]

Well there are many people playing online but....... in Virtual Squadrons , with tactical procedures, flying parameters, real checklist and serious behaviour....

 

IMHO HL is like Quake or worst, if you want to fly the most real experience FC could bring you, the best choice is a serious squad.

 

If you only want to enjoy a couple of really funny fights without thinking about " real procedures " HL is outstanding but after several fights i preffer thousands times flying with my mates in our squadron in well edited misions than using HL.

 

For me FC is not only a Crazy Dog Fight all against all Simulator via HL.

 

For me is a FLIGHT SIMULATOR, with the combat option. This is cause i " hate " HL way..... but opinions are like ass.....everyone has one...

[GGTharos]

Goon is quite right :D

 

We're trying to create a much more tactical mission to run on HL - those who don't like to fly 'seriously' will complain because of the long ranges involved ... hopefuly they will learn to work in cooperation with others to defeat their enemies. At least, the goal of this mission is to foster this sort of behaviour.

[Esac_mirmidon]

That´s sound REALLY GOOD GG....

 

I hope one day people who feels FC like me could enjoy missions like that in HL.

[EscCtrl]

My preference when I do play online is generally to join on free flight servers to see how I rank up against others 9hardly ever play you see) and to get advice and help with training up my skill in basic flight - when I do play in a battle I appreciate realism a lot but I don't enjoy sorties that last several hours (I don't have the patience at this age to sit and watch a blank radar screen whilst constantly trimming the elevators only to be shot down without seeing who did it) Just my style of flight - but if ED or even this community manage to enlist a whole new set of players then there'd be servers for everyones preference.

 

 

 

Even if hyperlobby updates too frequently adding a copy of it to the CD would be a start to getting people online - and who know smaybe with talks with hyperlobby they will allow for a basic LOMAC copy of hyperlobby where players who are too lazy/ignorant to update theres can still get an idea for online play (of course with constant reminders to update so they can play us as opposed to other lazy players :P)

[TucksonSonny]

 

People are LAZY. Most wont come online becuse they are not to spend any time googling internet to know where we play online.

 

And for other reasons:

About a month ago my pc was almost dead (read overtaken by nasty spy ware)

For the first time ever the complete control of my PC was taken over (it took me 3 days to repair the registry and take control back of my administrator). The 60 Euro Norton Internet Security 2005 was not able to prevent this! (BTW, I will never use that cr*p program again)

My problem now is that I am very afraid of giving again control to software and open several ports for multiplay (having firewall on almost on the maximum policy)

I have no proof but I remember that the attacks happened while being on line!

TS.

[S77th-konkussion]

And for other reasons:

 

About a month ago my pc was almost dead (read overtaken by nasty spy ware)

For the first time ever the complete control of my PC was taken over (it took me 3 days to repair the registry and take control back of my administrator). The 60 Euro Norton Internet Security 2005 was not able to prevent this! (BTW, I will never use that cr*p program again)

 

My problem now is that I am very afraid of giving again control to software and open several ports for multiplay (having firewall on almost on the maximum policy)

 

I have no proof but I remember that the attacks happened while being on line!

 

TS.

 

Stay away from teh pron, then Galeb! :D

[gundelgauk]

Sorry, this is going to be a way off topic post but I can't help it. Feel free to delete it or ban me.

 

TucksonSonny, just a few thoughts. Instead of spending three days to "reclaim control" of your computer, you should have just done a complete reinstallation. Firstly it would probably have taken less time and secondly (more importantly) you can never be sure that your system is now completely clean again. Modern spyware, trojans etc are extremely sophisticated and have lots of means of disguising themselves. Even if you don't have sensitive data on your PC and think "why should I care", this is dangerous because any infected system could be used to spread spam, warez, other illegal data or attack websites.

 

And don't ever think you're safe because you're using a personal firewall software and a virus guard/scanner. Those help somewhat but it is a proven fact that all those can be easily tricked and circumvented. This is because of certain features and limitations of Windows, Internet Explorer etc. One still has to be very careful when browsing websites, downloading programs and reading Emails that cannot be 100% trusted.

 

It is common practice to completely wipe a system which is known to have been infected. Very careful people would advise you to wipe all data that is not readable by humans (everything except text, music, images and videos) because malware can embed itself anywhere. I personally wouldn't go that far but I really recommend a clean Windows installation once you know your system has been infected.

[GGTharos]

That´s sound REALLY GOOD GG....

 

I hope one day people who feels FC like me could enjoy missions like that in HL.

 

Feel free to try it out - Goon will inform people when its up. Please keep in mind that it is a mission 'in development' so it is by no means complete :)

[TucksonSonny]

Sorry, this is going to be a way off topic post but I can't help it. Feel free to delete it or ban me.

 

TucksonSonny, just a few thoughts. Instead of spending three days to "reclaim control" of your computer, you should have just done a complete reinstallation. Firstly it would probably have taken less time and secondly (more importantly) you can never be sure that your system is now completely clean again. Modern spyware, trojans etc are extremely sophisticated and have lots of means of disguising themselves. Even if you don't have sensitive data on your PC and think "why should I care", this is dangerous because any infected system could be used to spread spam, warez, other illegal data or attack websites.

 

And don't ever think you're safe because you're using a personal firewall software and a virus guard/scanner. Those help somewhat but it is a proven fact that all those can be easily tricked and circumvented. This is because of certain features and limitations of Windows, Internet Explorer etc. One still has to be very careful when browsing websites, downloading programs and reading Emails that cannot be 100% trusted.

 

It is common practice to completely wipe a system which is known to have been infected. Very careful people would advise you to wipe all data that is not readable by humans (everything except text, music, images and videos) because malware can embed itself anywhere. I personally wouldn't go that far but I really recommend a clean Windows installation once you know your system has been infected.

 

In the end “Spybot - Search & Destroy” together with Killbox and Microsoft defender saved me together with restoring parts of a clean backup XP clone registry!

(Installing all automatic updates by Microsoft too)

Found also some not detected nasty ones myself: These mal wares come back indeed in the form of different dll’s and exe’s.

Tip: 1) in your task manager (tab processes) check suspicious filenames and look them up with Google!

Tip: 2) if you have a clean PC then backup the registry and take a print screen of all the processes in memory in your task manager!

I know that it is kind of paranoid but I have everything under control and it cost me about nothing… :D

[GGTharos]

In the mission we've created it takes 20-25min to reach your patrol point.

BUT. The point of this mission is NOT to take off, and go off alone to fight. You WILL get your butt handed to you if you do that, because you an BET there will be a roving team patrol that will just eat you up.

 

Fly with a team mate, even one you just pick up in HL - a squadmate, and teamspeak would be the best (use teamspeak if you can, it's hard to survive in a team setting without it)

 

The idea of this mission if for you to fly a sortie - 20 min to get there, on station as long as you want/can (subject to fuel and enemies) and some 15-20 min to get back, against subject to fuel (economy cruise is 250kts/500kph if you blew away all your fuel on fighting and now you must limp back)

 

This creates an especially interesting situation for the MiGs, too.

 

My preference when I do play online is generally to join on free flight servers to see how I rank up against others 9hardly ever play you see) and to get advice and help with training up my skill in basic flight - when I do play in a battle I appreciate realism a lot but I don't enjoy sorties that last several hours (I don't have the patience at this age to sit and watch a blank radar screen whilst constantly trimming the elevators only to be shot down without seeing who did it) Just my style of flight - but if ED or even this community manage to enlist a whole new set of players then there'd be servers for everyones preference.

[gundelgauk]

I know that it is kind of paranoid but I have everything under control and it cost me about nothing… :D

 

No, that is not paranoid but perfectly sensible. Unfortunately.

 

Still, sorry but you didn't seem to take my post too seriously. ;)

 

While what you did is all well, have you considered that there might be processes running on your computer that do NOT show up in the task manager's process list? As I said, malware these days have very sophisticated hiding techniques. This includes hiding processes, files and much more. With some rootkits you would never even suspect that you have been infected.

 

To make things even worse, you cannot trust a virus/malware scanner that is being run on a system that has been infected, because these things can hide from them just as well as they can from you. Many trojans etc temper with anti virus programs to be able to remain hidden.

 

I seriously recommend that you back up as much of your data as possible and do a clean reinstall. You'd have the added benefit of a clean, fast system which is fun to work with. :)

[RvETito]

Multiplayer is indeed very important. I think the FB room in the HL is not something to compare with. Way too different sims.

What we should get focused is to have better organised sessions with severe control by the host in terms of payloads, team kills and sportsmanship.

I don't know if this is arranged in F4 or FB(the other two most popular sims in the HL) but it's something that ruins network play.

[44th Eagle]

That might change soon...;)

 

rgr that Goon...The mission on the other night was very good. The 44th flew as a 3 ship. I was flight lead and made the decision to press further into enemy air space knowing that myself (lead) and number 2 were a couple thousand pounds of fuel above Joker. We turned away from safe airspace and pushed some 120-150nm away from home plate. We did some tactical maneuvering and placed ourselves on the flank of 2 bandits 30-40nm. We were in a perfect wall and aggressively pushed into them and used our numbers advantage against them and proceeded to hunt them down. A classic 3 v 2.

 

As we just finished splashing the last of the 2 bandits we got RWR hit indicating another bandit was close. 1 and 2 were Winchester...both well below bingo. I did a OPS check and determine 3 is at joker with 2 actives. I send 3 to intercept the inbound bandit knowing that 1 and 2 have no recourse except to RTB at minimal fuel consumption. 3 splash the bandit allowing the flight to RTB and recover all 3 aircraft.

 

Adding fuel and tactical issues is something that has been missing from online servers for some time.

[Ice]

There are two reasons why LockOn is a small online Community. Egos and Laziness.

 

Most who fly LockOn have inflated egos about their ability and expect like any other online game after a couple of nights of flying they should be getting as many kills as everyone else. When they find that's not the case and they might have to Study or train or be part of a team and follow orders to succeed. they go back to the quake style games they've allways played.

 

Its a shame but Complicated Combat simulators like this will allways have a small online community. Dedicated Servers, links to HyperLobby or any other ideas will never change that.

[GGTharos]

I prefer to not be so pessimistic. You're basically wrong. There's a whole bunch of squads out there playing privately precicely because they want realistic procedures, yet the ability to exercise them is not afforded them due to air-quakish mission setups that -encourage- air quake mentality.

 

Range and available bases are a big part of this; but not the least part and not the only one. Getting the people HERE, on HL, to the servers, is another problem that must we dealt with. Links to Hl and so on and so forth will do that.

 

There are two reasons why LockOn is a small online Community. Egos and Laziness.

 

Most who fly LockOn have inflated egos about their ability and expect like any other online game after a couple of nights of flying they should be getting as many kills as everyone else. When they find that's not the case and they might have to Study or train or be part of a team and follow orders to succeed. they go back to the quake style games they've allways played.

 

Its a shame but Complicated Combat simulators like this will allways have a small online community. Dedicated Servers, links to HyperLobby or any other ideas will never change that.

[Pilotasso]

Nah, he has a point. There has been a bunch of people I saw both in these forums and on HL who sworn never to do MP again because they didnt feel like to face off more experienced people and keep loosing. Its sad but true.

 

Cali, I do have comms but my whole family annoys the hell out of me behind the door. I only bring them up when they are away. :)

[Pilotasso]

And for other reasons:

About a month ago my pc was almost dead (read overtaken by nasty spy ware)

For the first time ever the complete control of my PC was taken over (it took me 3 days to repair the registry and take control back of my administrator). The 60 Euro Norton Internet Security 2005 was not able to prevent this! (BTW, I will never use that cr*p program again)

My problem now is that I am very afraid of giving again control to software and open several ports for multiplay (having firewall on almost on the maximum policy)

I have no proof but I remember that the attacks happened while being on line!

TS.

 

Your perhaps insinuating that HL infiltrated malware into your PC?

 

You would be surprised how many people go to Porn and Pirate sites, get pumped by viruses and then blaim HL for it.

I dont visit neither kinds of places And Im rarely hit by malware. I put down Anti virus and firewall to play in HL, and I have spent days on end with those down and never caught any malware. Every malware I ever got I was wable to trace its origin. None from HL.

[RvETito]

Your perhaps insinuating that HL infiltrated malware into your PC?

 

You would be surprised how many people go to Porn and Pirate sites get pumped by viruses and then blaim HL for it.

I dont visit neither kinds of places And Im rarely hit by malware. I put doen Anti virus and firewall to play in HL, and I have spent days on end with those down and never caught any malware. Every malware I ever got I was wable to trace its origin. None from HL.

 

Same here. I ran HL for almost an year without having installed any antivirus nor anti-malware software- never had any troubles.

[S77th-konkussion]

There has been a bunch of people I saw both in these forums and on HL who sworn never to do MP again because they didnt feel like to face off more experienced people and keep loosing. Its sad but true.

 

Yes, but let me ask this of these people. How do you think the experienced people got to be experienced? We didn't just show up and whoopazz. Sorry, but this is a cop-out. Getting yer pink butt handed to you over and over again is part of the learning process.

 

Patience, grass-hoppah.

[GGTharos]

Yes, but let me ask this of these people. How do you think the experienced people got to be experienced? We didn't just show up and whoopazz.

 

 

 

... speak for yourself! :D

 

(Aside from that, I agree with you - at issue was that these people were given 'attitude', unfortunately, not that they were getting whooped, IIRC)

[theGozr]

dedicated server files only thing we need.