Smorpheus84 Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 Hi, since I build a new system its time to upgrade my monitor too. I mostly play DCS and cant decide between 3440x1440 and 2560x1440. I have a 1080 that runs at 1924Mhz and a i3 8350k at 4.9Ghz. Which one would you go for and why? Thank you i3 8350k @4.9Ghz, DDR4 3200 16GB, Strix 1080, ADATA 512GB m.2, CX 550W, H115i
Panthir Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 I recommend 2K My Hardware: ROG Strix X570-F Gaming - AMD 5600X @ 4.7 ghz - G.SKILL TRIDENT 32GB DDR4 3200 (14-14-14-34 CL) - GigaByte 3080ti OC 12gb - Corsair MP600 Force 1TB - 2 x EVO Nvme 500GB - Virpil Warbird Base T-50CM2 and TM Throttle + Trackhat + G25 + AOC AG271QG 27" My Modules: JF-17, F-16C, AV-8N/A, F-18C, ASJ37, MiG-15Bis, MiG-21Bis, Fw-190D, Bf-109K, P-51D, F-86F, Ka-50 III, UH-1H, Mi-8MTV2, NS430, FC3, A-10C, Mirage 2000C, L-39, F-5E-3, SA342, Spitfire, AH-64, Mirage F-1CE. My Maps: Nevada, Normandy, Persian Gulf, Syria, South Atlantic.
Demon_ Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 The bigger screen size. What are the size of these? Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche.
Johnny_Rico Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 yeah we need to know sizes i run 34" 3440 x 1440 @ 100Hz Gsync, love it METAR weather for DCS World missions Guide to help out new DCS MOOSE Users -> HERE Havoc Company Dedicated server info Connect IP: 94.23.215.203 SRS enabled - freqs - Main = 243, A2A = 244, A2G = 245 Please contact me HERE if you have any server feedback or METAR issues/requests
Smorpheus84 Posted March 7, 2018 Author Posted March 7, 2018 I was looking at a 27" with 2560x1440@144Hz or a 35" 3440x1440 @100Hz. i3 8350k @4.9Ghz, DDR4 3200 16GB, Strix 1080, ADATA 512GB m.2, CX 550W, H115i
BitMaster Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 With the 1080 I would not get the 4k solution, you will lack some ooomps to drive that panel to desired performance. Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Sapphire Nitro+ 7800XT - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus XG27ACG QHD 180Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X
HiJack Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 I'm running a 40 inch monitor on 2560x1440 and am satisfied. Currently 70 frames stable in singleplayer but down between 30 -50 on multiplayer. DCS 2.5 is crashing a lot though. Lots of space to work with video production and programming when not flying around in Ka-50 or the F-15. Great experience :) 27 inch will do for 2560x1440 but you will be disappointed if you try to go 3440x1440 on a 27 inch monitor I believe. Don't go in the trap and buy a large TV. :music_whistling:
Demon_ Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) So... 27" or 35"? Read my mind... Edited March 7, 2018 by Demon_ Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche.
Johnny_Rico Posted March 7, 2018 Posted March 7, 2018 (edited) With the 1080 I would not get the 4k solution, you will lack some ooomps to drive that panel to desired performance. He is not asking about 4 k 3840 × 2160 is 4k res @OP, the 35" does it have Gsync? Gsync screen is one of my things I have bought Edited March 7, 2018 by Johnny_Rico METAR weather for DCS World missions Guide to help out new DCS MOOSE Users -> HERE Havoc Company Dedicated server info Connect IP: 94.23.215.203 SRS enabled - freqs - Main = 243, A2A = 244, A2G = 245 Please contact me HERE if you have any server feedback or METAR issues/requests
Cake Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 Hi, since I build a new system its time to upgrade my monitor too. I mostly play DCS and cant decide between 3440x1440 and 2560x1440. I have a 1080 that runs at 1924Mhz and a i3 8350k at 4.9Ghz. Which one would you go for and why? Thank you I'm always price conscious, so I'd probably go for the 2k at this point unless you're not sensitive to the price difference and/or need the additional pixels for other things. Why? The future of DCS is with VR. I think for a DCS-only system, this makes monitors a short term solution. It used to be that I could justify a somewhat expensive monitor. For example, I had a 20" 1600x1200 that lasted almost a decade through several CPU and GPU upgrades. This was purchased in a time when most people we're at 1024x768 and it held up well even after most people switched to 1920x1080. I'm currently running a RIFT / 1080Ti. Recently, I decided I was missing the photorealistic details so I went back to my 144Hz 2K display with Track IR. That switch lasted all of about 20 minutes because, despite it's sharpness, the feeling of being in the aircraft was gone. To me, DCS World felt completely flat by contrast. Considering the flaws of current generation VR (e.g., RIFT's lack of viewing range / sharpness, etc), we could argue back and forth and give pros and cons for a 2D monitor vs. VR. I like VR much better despite its flaws, but I totally understand why some choose the monitor option. However, I think it is reasonable to expect huge improvements in the with VR that will reduce and eventually eliminate most of its disadvantages. I think in a few years, the majority of DCS will be done in VR. So, I probably couldn't justify the pricier monitor based on DCS alone.... You didn't say DCS only though, so maybe the decision really comes down to what other things you use your system for.... I think most gaming titles look good in 2K. A 2k display isn't nearly as good as say a 5K Mac, for things where additional desktop real estate for more open apps would be useful. 6700K@4.6 48Gb - 1080Ti Hybrid - Warthog - RIFT
Smorpheus84 Posted March 8, 2018 Author Posted March 8, 2018 He is not asking about 4 k 3840 × 2160 is 4k res @OP, the 35" does it have Gsync? Gsync screen is one of my things I have bought Yes the 35" does have G-Sync. i3 8350k @4.9Ghz, DDR4 3200 16GB, Strix 1080, ADATA 512GB m.2, CX 550W, H115i
Smorpheus84 Posted March 8, 2018 Author Posted March 8, 2018 Thank you all for your answers, I agree that VR is the future and I have an Oculus, the issues is that my body can't handle it, I get super sick while playing, even with medication I get sick. Therefore I decided to sell the Rift and get a new monitor. Currently I have a crappy 24" 1080p monitor. So anything will be an improvement for me in that regard. I don't really know if i should go with 27" or 34", 60hz vs 100+hz, G-Sync vs no G-Sync and so on . There is so much out there and to much conflicting information, all I want is a really nice smooth gaming experience. i3 8350k @4.9Ghz, DDR4 3200 16GB, Strix 1080, ADATA 512GB m.2, CX 550W, H115i
firmek Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 Thank you all for your answers, I agree that VR is the future and I have an Oculus, the issues is that my body can't handle it, I get super sick while playing, even with medication I get sick. Therefore I decided to sell the Rift and get a new monitor. Currently I have a crappy 24" 1080p monitor. So anything will be an improvement for me in that regard. I don't really know if i should go with 27" or 34", 60hz vs 100+hz, G-Sync vs no G-Sync and so on . There is so much out there and to much conflicting information, all I want is a really nice smooth gaming experience. For sure 34'' over 27''. I did change a 24'' to 34'' monitor and that was a day-night difference in DCS. The extra peripheral vision that 34'' monitor gives is extreamly usefull in DCS as also in other titles (like FPS). Another thing is that the wide screen just feels more natural as humans see more horizontally than vertically. If 34'' monitor than at least 3440x1440. Don't go lower with the resolution. As for other options. G-Sync is IMO a must - at least once you try it out there is no way back (forget the crappy V-Sync, this abomination of technology should have never existed). 100 Hz.. hard to say. Probably not critical with DCS but if you go for a 34'' monitor with G-Sync its safe to assume the panel will be 100hz anyway. If possible get IPS over TN. As an example: https://www.asus.com/us/Monitors/ROG-SWIFT-PG348Q/ F/A-18, F-16, F-14, M-2000C, A-10C, AV-8B, AJS-37 Viggen, F-5E-3, F-86F, MiG-21bis, MiG-15bis, L-39 Albatros, C-101 Aviojet, P-51D, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, Bf 109 4-K, UH-1H, Mi-8, Ka-50, NTTR, Normandy, Persian Gulf... and not enough time to fully enjoy it all
Johnny_Rico Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 +1 to Firmeks answer METAR weather for DCS World missions Guide to help out new DCS MOOSE Users -> HERE Havoc Company Dedicated server info Connect IP: 94.23.215.203 SRS enabled - freqs - Main = 243, A2A = 244, A2G = 245 Please contact me HERE if you have any server feedback or METAR issues/requests
Smorpheus84 Posted March 8, 2018 Author Posted March 8, 2018 (edited) For sure 34'' over 27''. I did change a 24'' to 34'' monitor and that was a day-night difference in DCS. The extra peripheral vision that 34'' monitor gives is extreamly usefull in DCS as also in other titles (like FPS). Another thing is that the wide screen just feels more natural as humans see more horizontally than vertically. If 34'' monitor than at least 3440x1440. Don't go lower with the resolution. As for other options. G-Sync is IMO a must - at least once you try it out there is no way back (forget the crappy V-Sync, this abomination of technology should have never existed). 100 Hz.. hard to say. Probably not critical with DCS but if you go for a 34'' monitor with G-Sync its safe to assume the panel will be 100hz anyway. If possible get IPS over TN. As an example: https://www.asus.com/us/Monitors/ROG-SWIFT-PG348Q/ The ASUS is a really nice Monitor, its also very expensive, its about $1900 here in Canada. If I fork out that much money on a monitor I will have to sleep in the garage :-). I was considering this one. https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/aoc-35-wqhd-100hz-4ms-curved-va-led-g-sync-gaming-monitor-ag352ucg-black-silver/11664232.aspx? There is also this one, but does not have G-Sync https://www.bestbuy.ca/en-ca/product/asus-designo-34-ultrawide-1440p-wqhd-100hz-4ms-gtg-curved-ips-wled-monitor-with-q-wireless-charging/10639141.aspx? Edited March 8, 2018 by Smorpheus84 i3 8350k @4.9Ghz, DDR4 3200 16GB, Strix 1080, ADATA 512GB m.2, CX 550W, H115i
firmek Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 (edited) ... If I fork out that much money on a monitor I will have to sleep in the garage :-). ... Believe me, it's worth it :) Just clean up the garage a bit :) Being more serious. Though I don't know much about AMVA panels, tech spec wise the linked AOC monitor looks interesting. TFT central is a great place to look for a creditable, in-depth reviews: http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/aoc_agon_ag352ucg.htm You may also check out the Acer X34 predator. Should be the same as linked Asus monitor. Edit: ASUS Designo 34 looks nice. Especially the IPS panel. No G-sync though - not an easy choice considering much lower price. One point however that many pople forget which is also important - the stand. Asus Design has an non-adjustable stand which on top of that looks quite short. If you prefer to have the monitor higher, on the level with your sight rather than watching down this monitor will not be a great option. Unless you want to stack books under the stand. Edited March 8, 2018 by firmek F/A-18, F-16, F-14, M-2000C, A-10C, AV-8B, AJS-37 Viggen, F-5E-3, F-86F, MiG-21bis, MiG-15bis, L-39 Albatros, C-101 Aviojet, P-51D, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, Bf 109 4-K, UH-1H, Mi-8, Ka-50, NTTR, Normandy, Persian Gulf... and not enough time to fully enjoy it all
BitMaster Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 That is 35" with 1440p ! Are you sure you want this ? 1440p looks good till 27", any bigger is not so nice imho. Anything beyond 30", for sure 34 or 35", is 4k realm. 4k needs extra GPU power, the 1080 will struggle to deliver what you want. 1440p and 27" looks great and matches your GPU imho. Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Sapphire Nitro+ 7800XT - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus XG27ACG QHD 180Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X
firmek Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 (edited) That is 35" with 1440p ! Are you sure you want this ? 1440p looks good till 27", any bigger is not so nice imho. Anything beyond 30", for sure 34 or 35", is 4k realm. 4k needs extra GPU power, the 1080 will struggle to deliver what you want. 1440p and 27" looks great and matches your GPU imho. The AOC monitor is 3440 x 1440, which is the most popular resolution for ultra wide, 34'' monitors. It works perfectly weel so I don't see a big problem with 35''. I think you're exaggerating "a bit". Considering pixel density (pixel/inch): 40'' 4096x3112: ~110 PPI 35'' 3440x1440: ~106 PPI 34'' 3440x1440: ~110 PPI 27'' 1920x1080: ~82 PPI 24'' 1920x1080: ~92 PPI 34'' 3440x1440 is the same as 40'' 4K and better than the most popular 24 and 27 Full HD displays. Edited March 8, 2018 by firmek F/A-18, F-16, F-14, M-2000C, A-10C, AV-8B, AJS-37 Viggen, F-5E-3, F-86F, MiG-21bis, MiG-15bis, L-39 Albatros, C-101 Aviojet, P-51D, Spitfire LF Mk. IX, Bf 109 4-K, UH-1H, Mi-8, Ka-50, NTTR, Normandy, Persian Gulf... and not enough time to fully enjoy it all
StandingCow Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 I went with the AW3418DW which is 3440x1440 at 34 inches. It's pretty sweet. 5900X - 32 GB 3600 RAM - 1080TI My Twitch Channel ~Moo
BitMaster Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 The AOC monitor is 3440 x 1440, which is the most popular resolution for ultra wide, 34'' monitors. It works perfectly weel so I don't see a big problem with 35''. I think you're exaggerating "a bit". Considering pixel density (pixel/inch): 40'' 4096x3112: ~110 PPI 35'' 3440x1440: ~106 PPI 34'' 3440x1440: ~110 PPI 27'' 1920x1080: ~82 PPI 24'' 1920x1080: ~92 PPI 34'' 3440x1440 is the same as 40'' 4K and better than the most popular 24 and 27 Full HD displays. Well, this is the equation: 27" @ WQHD = 108,79 ppi/dpi 27" @ FHD = 81,59 ppi/dpi this pixel question & answer game, regardless, does not solve the " my 1080 non-Ti struggles to push da pixels" problem at all. https://www.sven.de/dpi/ Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Sapphire Nitro+ 7800XT - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus XG27ACG QHD 180Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X
Demon_ Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 (edited) Canada? Between provinces you don't pay provincial taxes. https://www.memoryexpress.com/Category/LCDMonitors http://www.directcanada.com/ Edited March 8, 2018 by Demon_ Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche.
Smorpheus84 Posted March 8, 2018 Author Posted March 8, 2018 Thank you everyone for your input, I truly appreciate it. I was able to see DCS on a 34" @3440x1440 on a 1070 at my workplace and it looked nice, the fps were around 60 in Caucasus, so I think that my 1080 should be able to push a little more. Canada? https://www.memoryexpress.com/Category/LCDMonitors http://www.directcanada.com/ I would like to order through BestBuy since I have a $200 gift card that I would like to use. But I will check out those two links and see how it compares in price. i3 8350k @4.9Ghz, DDR4 3200 16GB, Strix 1080, ADATA 512GB m.2, CX 550W, H115i
BitMaster Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 Thank you everyone for your input, I truly appreciate it. I was able to see DCS on a 34" @3440x1440 on a 1070 at my workplace and it looked nice, the fps were around 60 in Caucasus, so I think that my 1080 should be able to push a little more. I would like to order through BestBuy since I have a $200 gift card that I would like to use. But I will check out those two links and see how it compares in price. So 4k or WQHD now ? The pixel density of WQHD on a 35" monitor is NOT what you have seen at work. This is a totally different thing ! Have you seen FHD on a 27" screen ? it looks plain UGLY, you cant read a thing and the 35" at WQHD is exactly the same. You should actually go and check it out personally, I dont think anyone likes 27" FHD or similar PPI. Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Sapphire Nitro+ 7800XT - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus XG27ACG QHD 180Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X
Weasel Posted March 8, 2018 Posted March 8, 2018 I had the same decision a few months ago. I played DCS with a 27" FHD monitor (and a GTX 970) before and I compared many monitors and also the resolutions. Long story short, I bought a GTX 1080 and a LG 38" WQHD (LG38UC99). I never thought that the difference would be like day and night. It's definitely a new feeling to play DCS and I really recommend you WQHD with a 34-38" monitor P.S. On youtube you can find some very nice WQHD videos so you get a feeling how to fly with this fantastic resolution and how much more FOV (field of view) you get with an ultrawide screen
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