JF-17 Thunder Discussions

[Red_Dragon]

Только что, razo+r сказал:

The JF-17 is the only aircraft in DCS with canopy fogging simulated. Try using the defog button on your right panel by the ECS knobs. 

Is it really foggy glass? I sow fogging canopy when was flying and that was another textures IMHO.. I can be wrong, but I believed that this  effect is render of glass transparency decreasing  as you look through the glass not perpendicular. I took that screen before cold start, right after I downed canopy. I thought its render the same as cloudy back view in DCS P 51 for example

And I see this only in the back, not in front of me as in case I definetly see foggy glass

[kotor633]

Will there be an English manual for the Jeff? A clear statement from the manufacturer on this would be nice.

[razo+r]

49 minutes ago, kotor633 said:

Will there be an English manual for the Jeff? A clear statement from the manufacturer on this would be nice.

They have plans to translate it. 

[ESA_maligno]

Hello. Does anyone know if the new application for creating route points works and if it is compatible with the JF17 data cartridge?

[ESA_maligno]

En 11/8/2024 a las 14:18, ESA_maligno dijo:

Hello. Does anyone know if the new application for creating route points works and if it is compatible with the JF17 data cartridge?

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

On 8/5/2024 at 2:00 PM, kotor633 said:

Will there be an English manual for the Jeff? A clear statement from the manufacturer on this would be nice.

About the English manual. Seriously in this day and age with ChatGPT and Google Translate and what not, and them being able to reply here in English, if they wanted to do it on their own, they could have done it by now. And I don't believe they cannot find a new translator if they were willing to pay for one. I believe they could have written it on their own as a first draft, passed it through ChatGPT to correct the grammar, or even kept it as a live online document for some select volunteers here to suggest corrections. 

Edited September 2, 2024 by GrEaSeLiTeNiN

[tekwoj]

Why is everyone so bent on the manual? There's a good chuck's guide for JF-17, not like the manual brings anything more.

[razo+r]

9 minutes ago, tekwoj said:

Why is everyone so bent on the manual? There's a good chuck's guide for JF-17, not like the manual brings anything more.

A manual usually does actually provide more than a guide.

[tekwoj]

From what I can translate in google translate from the Chinese manual - maybe usually but not necessarily in this case.

[GrEaSeLiTeNiN]

9 hours ago, tekwoj said:

Why is everyone so bent on the manual? There's a good chuck's guide for JF-17, not like the manual brings anything more.

Even Chuck's guide which we are grateful for refers to a table from Deka's guide that has errors or ambiguities. But at the end of the day, it's a matter of completing product delivery. The official English manual is part of what consumers paid for even if they can refer to an unofficial manual for the time being. If they really focused on getting it done, I think Deka would have produced the English manual months ago even if it meant getting a new translator. They started really well developing this very nice module quickly (just compare it to other EAs). I just feel they should finish well too with the manual.   

Edited September 3, 2024 by GrEaSeLiTeNiN

[okopanja]

On 8/11/2024 at 2:18 PM, ESA_maligno said:

Hello. Does anyone know if the new application for creating route points works and if it is compatible with the JF17 data cartridge?

I was absent from DCS for a month, but I believe there are multiple possible answers to your question.

1. if you ask for addition made by ED that allows you to create route points for the next aircraft you want to slot into. I did try this briefly with FC3 where it works.
I may try it later in the evening with JF-17.

2. The vanilla F10 approach with markpoints should still work with some minor adjustments compared to before

3. I also wrote a mod that can enter the waypoints:

 

 

[tekwoj]

4 hours ago, okopanja said:

2. The vanilla F10 approach with markpoints should still work with some minor adjustments compared to before

 

 

 

AFAIK F10 at the moment allows you to enter only PP/RP points and the air zones. No flight plan waypoints.

[okopanja]

2 hours ago, tekwoj said:

AFAIK F10 at the moment allows you to enter only PP/RP points and the air zones. No flight plan waypoints.

Thanks

[ESA_maligno]

hace 9 horas, okopanja dijo:

I was absent from DCS for a month, but I believe there are multiple possible answers to your question.

1. if you ask for addition made by ED that allows you to create route points for the next aircraft you want to slot into. I did try this briefly with FC3 where it works.
I may try it later in the evening with JF-17.

2. The vanilla F10 approach with markpoints should still work with some minor adjustments compared to before

3. I also wrote a mod that can enter the waypoints:

 

 

I was precisely referring to the new ED option to create flight plans; In my case I am not able to make them work when loading the cartridge in the JF17

[okopanja]

3 hours ago, ESA_maligno said:

I was precisely referring to the new ED option to create flight plans; In my case I am not able to make them work when loading the cartridge in the JF17

I did try ED way:

1. Entered route before slot selection
2. Picked option to make it a route for the next slotting
3. Selected slot and spawned
4. Opened cockpit
5. Requested DTC update
6. Inserted DTC
7. In left MFD, selected ALL, and then transferred
8. Nav points were visible.

Edited September 3, 2024 by okopanja

[tekwoj]

Steps 4 and 5 are not necessary, it will treat the created route as if it was prepared for the plane in mission editor.

[okopanja]

6 minutes ago, tekwoj said:

Steps 4 and 5 are not necessary, it will treat the created route as if it was prepared for the plane in mission editor.

4 and 5 for cold jet would be part of regular startup sequence. For hot jet you need them to bring the route in. I had empty nav mode on spawn, really had to do it like this.

[tekwoj]

22 minutes ago, okopanja said:

4 and 5 for cold jet would be part of regular startup sequence. For hot jet you need them to bring the route in. I had empty nav mode on spawn, really had to do it like this.

I've tested it in hot start from the ground, you just have to put the dtc in and the moment the nav data is loaded the route should show on HSD

[okopanja]

1 minute ago, tekwoj said:

I've tested it in hot start from the ground, you just have to put the dtc in and the moment the nav data is loaded the route should show on HSD

I think in order to exchange DTC with ground crew you need to open the cockpit, but if it works for you ok...

[tekwoj]

2 minutes ago, okopanja said:

I think in order to exchange DTC with ground crew you need to open the cockpit, but if it works for you ok...

That's my point, the dtc that's "in your hand, but not yet sloted in the socket" when you do hot start already has the planned route in it. No need to ask for update.

[okopanja]

17 minutes ago, tekwoj said:

That's my point, the dtc that's "in your hand, but not yet sloted in the socket" when you do hot start already has the planned route in it. No need to ask for update.

I will try this, but if it is true, I would consider this as a bug.

[Napillo]

1 hour ago, okopanja said:

I would consider this as a bug.

Well don't tell anyone, I want it that way.

[supersylph]

3 hours ago, okopanja said:

I will try this, but if it is true, I would consider this as a bug.

All the time, as long as you are a brand new aircraft and have not read any DTC information, any changes do not require updating the DTC. Once the DTC has been read and the data has been entered into the aircraft, the DTC needs to be updated if anything needs to be changed.

[ESA_maligno]

hace 17 horas, okopanja dijo:

I did try ED way:

1. Entered route before slot selection
2. Picked option to make it a route for the next slotting
3. Selected slot and spawned
4. Opened cockpit
5. Requested DTC update
6. Inserted DTC
7. In left MFD, selected ALL, and then transferred
8. Nav points were visible.

 

I'm going to try; from what I read, it's a different procedure from the one that says ED. And the nav points names…; PP, WPT….; are they valid????

Edited September 4, 2024 by ESA_maligno

[tekwoj]

2 hours ago, ESA_maligno said:

I'm going to try; from what I read, it's a different procedure from the one that says ED. And the nav points names…; PP, WPT….; are they valid????

 

The ED flight plan tool replaces any waypoints created by mission maker with what you create before spawning in. It's going to be treated as if it was  a flight plan created by the mission maker, so planes that use DTC like Jf-17 or Viggen will have the waypoints available the moment they load the cartridge. Exactly same as normal.

The F10 map nav points that you create when you're spawned in the mission: WPT don't work. Others do. They require DTC update because your cartridge has some other flight plan loaded when you spawned.