AI harrier DO NOT takeoff from Tarawa

[Magot]

In 2.5.2 beta DCS , simple mission in editor:

Persian Gulf, put anywhere LHA Tarawa and AI AV8BII in takeoff position (start from runaway).

The wheels spin, but plane do NOT takeoff.

 

This is critical bug.

 

Still stay in this position and a bit levitate as you can see on screen

 

Included mission file.

Persian Gulf Tarawa AI AV8BII.miz

Edited May 26, 2018 by Magot

[Magot]

Confirmed this bug.

Same mission, same situation in stable version DCS 2.5.0 do it corret takeoff on map Causcaus.

And Harrier DO NOT levitate like in beta 2.5.1. but whole plane is correct on the deck and wheel touch the deck.

 

Please fix it.

[Pikey]

+1 issues with carrier and AI for a long time now.

[Gierasimov]

NTTR - Nellis, AI Harrier taxi to the runway and stay there forever.

[Quax456]

Confirmed this bug.

Same mission, same situation in stable version DCS 2.5.0 do it corret takeoff on map Causcaus.

And Harrier DO NOT levitate like in beta 2.5.1. but whole plane is correct on the deck and wheel touch the deck.

 

Please fix it.

 

Can confirm this. This was a problem at the begining of the AV8B.

Seems it is back.... :cry:

[Veritech]

+1

[Magot]

why this CRITICAL bug was not fixed in current patch??

[timber3000]

NTTR - Nellis, AI Harrier taxi to the runway and stay there forever.

Same goes in the PG map.

[MoGas]

why this CRITICAL bug was not fixed in current patch??

 

This game stopping bug, is present since day one! It is in the hand from ED, to fix it.

[shagrat]

It does not make sense to fix the carrier related stuff, especially, as long as ED is updating and adding new features. Take off for AI is likely intertwined with land/carrier/hover general AI.

 

Here is a quick note from prowler, where he pointed that out:

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3514757&postcount=3

[SUNTSAG]

Hi Magot,

 

AI aircraft behaviour falls under the remit of ED to resolve and there are a number of problems with the AV-8B at the moment (from an AI perspective). Hence my post here:

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=207222

 

which is now not just related to ground starts but ship based ones too.

 

Also an AI AV-8B will now take off from the TARAWA (latest Open Beta version) if you set it in the Mission Editor to a "Takeoff from ramp".

 

All ship based spawns result in a hot start and even if you wanted to make it a cold start by setting it as "UNCONTROLLED" and then using the AI Push Task trigger....... I have found it results in some weird behaviour so thats not presently an option.

 

I hope this helps. Cheers :thumbup:

[Magot]

Hi Magot,

Also an AI AV-8B will now take off from the TARAWA (latest Open Beta version) if you set it in the Mission Editor to a "Takeoff from ramp".

 

Do NOT work at latest beta version.

I set Persian Gulf map, floating LHA Tarawa and harrier Takeoff from ramp.

And nothing. Same problem, harrier levitate and stay, no move anyway.

 

Btw and start UH-1 from LHA cause crash to desktop ..

 

But from ground airfield is all ok. Takeoff correct.

Edited June 10, 2018 by Magot

[Norsegunar]

Just Tested it out on the PG map and I was able to have a AI Harrier take off from the Tarawa. No weapons and 60% fuel. So it was about 19000 lbs. Track is attached.

 

One of the things to check is to make sure your AI Harriers are below the max VSTOL weights. If I remember correctly from Zeus or CptSmiley, that if the AI is above that weight it won't take off. It's not like human player who can fudge the weight.

AV-8B AI Takeoff LHA-1.trk

[gunterlund21]

got the weight issue worked out. I think the big problem is the AI want to take off vertically instead of a rolling start. The rolling starts allow for more weight to be on board. If Im not mistaken.

[Magot]

Just Tested it out on the PG map and I was able to have a AI Harrier take off from the Tarawa. No weapons and 60% fuel. So it was about 19000 lbs. Track is attached.

 

One of the things to check is to make sure your AI Harriers are below the max VSTOL weights. If I remember correctly from Zeus or CptSmiley, that if the AI is above that weight it won't take off. It's not like human player who can fudge the weight.

 

I tried same harrier on same configuration on ground airfield.

There takeoff no problem all is ok. VTOL.

 

When is in same configuration - empty, 50% fuel do not takeoff from Tarawa. And have any incorrect position that a bit levitate in air. Wheels are not on deck. - Included track. (empty harrier + 25% fuel)

 

And same configuration harrier on LHA Tarawa on Causcaus map - STABLE DCS 2.5.0 - harrier do it takeoff on Tarawa. All is ok.

Problem is only in this beta 2.5.2. - its bugged.

 

@Norsegunar

In your track is all correct and wheels have on the deck. Problem on my side is propably in strange thing that harrier levitate. Something is wrong.

Please can you send me miz file?

 

I tried too repair this beta version and still same problem ..

wrong takeoff AI harrier from LHA Tarawa.trk

Edited June 10, 2018 by Magot

[Magot]

and looks like that problem is only with LHA Tarawa.

VTOL from USS J.C Stennis is ok.

[Magot]

I tried clear install DCS 2.5.2 BETA and no luck. Harrier DO NOT takeoff from LHA Tarawa anyway.

[shagrat]

Wait for ED to finish the Carrier Ops implementation, then Razabma to integrate it into the Tarawa, then we should be fine.

 

It's a beta for a reason. Things like these are to be expected during early access.

[flyingdutchy]

When i place AI av8b on the runway they seem to taxi almost to the end of the runway before they take off.

[Green Leader]

Anyone got this problem in the latest version of dcs 2.7 OB? Literally exactly the same problem has reared it’s head for me in the past week or so…

[Eagle_01]

Same here... AI Harriers would not take off frome the Tarawa.  They taxi from Parking to the Runway. Then they just sit there.  And I can see they have wheel chocks on.

[BigMotor]

This has been fixed by ED internally and is scheduled for next update.

 

[Heli Shed]

same here

 

[Toni Carrera]

Hi All,

I am using the latest version as of this time 2.7.9.18080, I have placed 4 Harriers on a Tarawa, set to take off from Runway. When the mission launches, the lead aircraft, looks like he is going to go vertical, then 30 seconds or so in, Wheel Chocks get placed, and he switches to rolling start take off, and you can see that he is throttling up, and for about 5 to 10s he sits there not moving, the chocks disappear and he is off

Then the other, tried only 1, 2 & 3 units, just sit there and do nothing. I have tried no weapons, fuel levels from 100 down to 50%, no matter what, when the mission launches, everything in paragraph 1 occurs

Thanks 

Edited January 7, 2022 by Toni Carrera