Throttle issue: 10% after idle position is a deadzone

[kresh]

Hello,

 

I noticed when applying some input on the throttles from idle there is about a 10% deadzone in the hornet. I thought it was a calibration issue or a curve setting I was unaware of but not the case here. I tested it with other aircraft and no deadzone after idle position at all, only the F/A-18.

 

A workaround I did was to set the Y Saturation to 90 on both left/right throttles and now get proper range.

 

I'm pretty sure this an issue with module and not on my end. Has anyone else noticed this when looking at the controls indicator or in-cockpit?

 

I'm using TM Warthog throttle along with the stick.

[MstrCmdr]

Same on my end too. I use a Thrustmaster TWCS though

[epoch]

Yup here too. But setting the Y saturation will affect the top end too, won't it?

 

I think this needs moving to the bug forum.

[elchacal]

Same here!

[epoch]

If you tick the slider box it won't.

 

Cheers :thumbup:

[kresh]

Yup here too. But setting the Y saturation will affect the top end too, won't it?

 

I think this needs moving to the bug forum.

 

 

I did initially but they moved it here in the controls forum.....:huh:

[RuskyV]

Noticed this the other day too, I tried ticking slider in the axis tuning but it still does the same thing. Definitely a bug of some sort because the throttle reads no dead zone in the axis config screen.

[Thermal]

You can see the minimum deadzone it if you bring up the Joystick Overlay - RCTRL-ENTER.

 

 

I'd like to get as much throttle range as possible for my Warthog for that A-A refueling :)

[Beazle]

Same problem here

[Thermal]

The deadzone is only active if your in the air(!!). So looks to be deliberate, and some kind of protection mechanism so you cant spin the engine down too much whilst airborne.

[Brun]

It's definitely still there on the ground, but to a lesser extent.

[DefaultFace]

First 10% of throttle axis not used

 

So I was fiddling with the custom curves some people have been suggesting in order to get Mil power at the Detent on the Warthog and noticed that the F/A-18 doesn't seem to utilise the first portion of the assigned throttle axes. Regardless of whether its set as a Slider or not, a custom curve, or just plain old standard linear it's always about the same. The controller is recognised and the movement is shown in the Axis tune page but in the aircraft there is no throttle movement (or any change in engine parameters) until the throttle is past about 10% of movement. Its a good cm or 2 on the Warthog which I'm using. I checked with a couple buddies and they confirmed the same behaviour.

 

Is this intended somehow? Seems like a waste.... Particularly in an aircraft where fine throttle movements can be quite important.

[clanitho]

So I was fiddling with the custom curves some people have been suggesting in order to get Mil power at the Detent on the Warthog and noticed that the F/A-18 doesn't seem to utilise the first portion of the assigned throttle axes. Regardless of whether its set as a Slider or not, a custom curve, or just plain old standard linear it's always about the same. The controller is recognised and the movement is shown in the Axis tune page but in the aircraft there is no throttle movement (or any change in engine parameters) until the throttle is past about 10% of movement. Its a good cm or 2 on the Warthog which I'm using. I checked with a couple buddies and they confirmed the same behaviour.

 

Is this intended somehow? Seems like a waste.... Particularly in an aircraft where fine throttle movements can be quite important.

 

+1 , CH FighterStick

[uhntissbaby111]

Same issue for me. X52 Pro

[antagonist]

Same for me, X55 throttle.

[epoch]

Just looping in this thread since it never got moved.

[clafly]

+1

[DefaultFace]

I fail to understand why this was moved to the controllers section as its clearly not a hardware issue. Unless this is for some reason intended behaviour its a bug......

[Thermal]

As per post #12, this only happens whilst in the air. With weight on wheels the deadzone goes away.

 

 

So I guess its a deliberate function to stop the engines spooling down too much whilst airbourne.

 

 

(I'd prefer it to go away as we'd get more throttle resolution with it gone).

[DefaultFace]

You can still spool the engines all the way down in the air though... You get to idle in the aircraft itself, it’s just that it takes less movement of the real world throttle to do so.

[LazyBoot]

Try using the fingerlifts and check if the "deadzone" goes away.

[Brun]

I think there's two separate issues here. The inflight idle stop in the real aircraft prevents the throttle being moved back as far as ground idle. Obviously there's no way to reproduce the physical stop in our sim hardware, but it's functioning correctly.

 

However, I started an instant action mission on the runway and found there was still a small deadzone before the engine's ground idle. I used target script editor to increase the base of the throttle's range by 10%, which got rid of it.

[Morod]

I think there's two separate issues here. The inflight idle stop in the real aircraft prevents the throttle being moved back as far as ground idle. Obviously there's no way to reproduce the physical stop in our sim hardware, but it's functioning correctly.

 

However, I started an instant action mission on the runway and found there was still a small deadzone before the engine's ground idle. I used target script editor to increase the base of the throttle's range by 10%, which got rid of it.

 

 

 

Could you explain how you did that in TARGET?

[Brun]

If you're not already using the script editor that's gonna be difficult, but the code is:

 

SetCustomCurve(&Throttle, THR_LEFT, LIST(0,10, 100,100));

 

And similar for the right throttle. This means that when the physical throttle is at 0, DCS will see it as 10%. I use separate scripts for each aircraft so it won't have any adverse effects elsewhere.

 

Am sure it must be possible to accomplish the same effect with the Hornet's axis tuning, I just prefer this way.

[Hippo]

Try using the fingerlifts and check if the "deadzone" goes away.

 

 

I was just about to ask about this myself.

 

I only have one joystick throttle axis so was setting up keyboard controls for when I need to manage the engines separately. I noticed that using the keyboard there are three areas for the throttle

 

From (1) full afterburner down to idle*, use finger lifts then (2) down to ground idle*, and (3) idle to shutoff.

 

I also have to wonder if it's necessary to map the range from ground idle to idle to the analogue axis, as I need every last mm for flight. Why not just have it assigned to button / keystroke like ground idle to cutoff? I expect there's a good reason?

 

*not sure if my terminology is correct, sorry.

Edited June 6, 2018 by Hippo