Viper101 Posted April 29, 2007 Posted April 29, 2007 Even 2 Aim-54's was a massive weight and drag penalty. Even with 4 the F-14D can super cruise without burner ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
GGTharos Posted April 29, 2007 Posted April 29, 2007 Even with 4 the F-14D can super cruise without burner ;) This brings us to the moral of the day. Kids, don't do drugs ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
hitman Posted April 29, 2007 Posted April 29, 2007 Thought there were very few a/c able to supercruise IRL....I dont recall the Tomcat able to do this. If thats true then I believe the F-4 Phantom would have done remarkably well at this.
Teknetinium Posted April 29, 2007 Posted April 29, 2007 http://img413.imageshack.us/img413/3868/0669581mx9.jpg 51st PVO Discord SATAC YouTube
tflash Posted April 29, 2007 Posted April 29, 2007 The concorde supercruises at mach 2.0, it does not use reheat on supersonic flight. See, e.g.: http://www.concordesst.com/powerplant.html [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
SUBS17 Posted April 29, 2007 Posted April 29, 2007 Although the F-14 doesn't have supercruise it does have a higher cruise speed than the Hornet. [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC]
hitman Posted April 29, 2007 Posted April 29, 2007 Although the F-14 doesn't have supercruise it does have a higher cruise speed than the Hornet. Thats not much of an argument since even the F-16 can outzoom the Hornet, although not by a whole lot.
Viper101 Posted April 29, 2007 Posted April 29, 2007 Although the F-14 doesn't have supercruise it does have a higher cruise speed than the Hornet. :megalol: are you kidding me?!?! itll supercruise without burners and is a lot faster than the hornet ever will be. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
hitman Posted April 29, 2007 Posted April 29, 2007 :megalol: are you kidding me?!?! itll supercruise without burners and is a lot faster than the hornet ever will be. SuperMan could supercruise...the Tomcant. Theres only a handful of aircraft around that can supercruise. The Eurofighter Typhoon, Rafale, F-22, technically speaking the Concorde too, but not the Tomcant. Dont do this to yourself Vipe.
Hellcat61 Posted April 29, 2007 Posted April 29, 2007 I believe Viper is basing his argument off of a recent thread posted on the Tomcat Sunset forums. I'll see if I can dig it up. There, one of the many pilots mentioned that the Delta Tomcat can go supersonic w/o the use of burner in a shallow dive. While that isn't "supercruise", it does speak volumes about the Cat's speed. She is a very quick bird, and if memory serves, closely contests the Eagle for speed. That isnt bad if you think about how much more rugged a carrier-based jet has to be. If I'm wrong Viper, correct me. But I do seem to remember that mentioned in a thread. "When you're out of Tomcats, you're out of fighters!"
Viper101 Posted April 29, 2007 Posted April 29, 2007 I believe Viper is basing his argument off of a recent thread posted on the Tomcat Sunset forums. I'll see if I can dig it up. There, one of the many pilots mentioned that the Delta Tomcat can go supersonic w/o the use of burner in a shallow dive. While that isn't "supercruise", it does speak volumes about the Cat's speed. She is a very quick bird, and if memory serves, closely contests the Eagle for speed. That isnt bad if you think about how much more rugged a carrier-based jet has to be. If I'm wrong Viper, correct me. But I do seem to remember that mentioned in a thread. thank you. and yes its burried in there on their forums somewhere :P [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Mizzy Posted April 29, 2007 Posted April 29, 2007 The 1st incident of SU27s harrassing NATO aircraft was quickly resolved by a pair of Tomcats which were all over the 27s. :thumbup: You are talking BS and I don't mean Black Shark ;) Mizzy. P.S. Get over the idea that the F14 was anywhere near a match for the Su27, it just ain't the truth!
Viper101 Posted April 29, 2007 Posted April 29, 2007 P.S. Get over the idea that the F14 was anywhere near a match for the Su27, it just ain't the truth! no offense but the su-27 is a great fighter and it wasnt the kind of aircraft involved in the Libya incident but the F-14 would destroy a Flanker. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Frostie Posted April 30, 2007 Posted April 30, 2007 Its nothing a good ET spam won't put right. I would love a TC sim though.:thumbup: "[51☭] FROSTIE" #55 'Red 5'. Lord Flashheart 51st PVO "Bisons" - 100 KIAP Regiment Fastest MiG pilot in the world - TCR'10 https://100kiap.org
SUBS17 Posted April 30, 2007 Posted April 30, 2007 You are talking BS and I don't mean Black Shark ;) Mizzy. P.S. Get over the idea that the F14 was anywhere near a match for the Su27, it just ain't the truth! It actually happened thats why I mentioned it, no bias intended regarding any aircraft in particular. Perhaps its a bit before your time:music_whistling: . [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC]
SUBS17 Posted April 30, 2007 Posted April 30, 2007 :megalol: are you kidding me?!?! itll supercruise without burners and is a lot faster than the hornet ever will be. Supercruise = to cruise supersonic without the use of afterburner. [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC]
SUBS17 Posted April 30, 2007 Posted April 30, 2007 Thats not much of an argument since even the F-16 can outzoom the Hornet, although not by a whole lot. I've heard during Enduring freedom Tomcats were launching after the Hornets on Strike missions, delivering their load and landing well before the Hornets. I've always regarded the Tomcat as an interceptor rather than a strike aircraft but it certainly was a good aircraft for those type of missions. [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC]
SUBS17 Posted April 30, 2007 Posted April 30, 2007 Yeah thats true theres also the factor that the 27 was relatively new at the time and the pilots most likely didn't know the full potential of the aircraft. [sIGPIC] [/sIGPIC]
Colt40Five Posted April 30, 2007 Posted April 30, 2007 I just got done reading "Black Aces High" about VF-41's cruise on the Roosevelt during Operation Allied Force(Balkans). Talks about the first implementations of LANTIRN among other things. Kind of a shame to read how shite the engines really were on the A models. Not the best book I've read about aviation, kind of read like a soap opera...lots of drama in the ranks, but an interesting look nonetheless into tomcats in combat. http://www.amazon.com/Black-Aces-High-Robert-Wilcox/dp/0312997086/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/104-6700563-0015160?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1177905129&sr=1-1 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
GGTharos Posted April 30, 2007 Posted April 30, 2007 Supercruise = to cruise supersonic without the use of afterburner. No, it hasn't quite as much to do with burners as it does with engine efficiency. Turbojets are quite efficient at altitude in afterburner - supercruisers have existed for a while now. F-104 anyone? ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
ViperEagle Posted April 30, 2007 Posted April 30, 2007 All the supercruising in the world doesnt mean anything if you cant land onboard the boat again when you get home, thats assuming you didnt get to pop off your Fox 3's. Thats 4 very heavy, Mk. 54 drag slugs you're hauling back, figure thats in excess of 4000 pounds of dead weight you're bringing back. There's a limit to how much weight you can bring back aboard the boat, and 4000 pounds of weight is quite a bit of fuel. So..assume you're already somewhat fuel critical...now, you're bringing back 4 unused -54's that are holding up alot of weight. See the picture? The F-14D (CLEAN) may have been able to supercruise once the burners pushed it past Mach 1, but true supercruising implies being able to break the speed of sound without AB. No aircraft, thus far, besides a VERY clean (IE no pylons and very low fuel) F-15A(barely past Mach, like Mach 1.05), T-38(same) , F-22 or Typhoon can do. But, with a aircraft launch weight of in excess of 68,000 pounds, it would take insane kinds of engine power to get that to super cruise. Dont get me wrong, the F-14B and D were very fast and very capable, but it wasnt the invincible god some claim it to be.
Hellcat61 Posted April 30, 2007 Posted April 30, 2007 but it wasnt the invincible god some claim it to be.Don't let the Tomcat hear you say that...:fear: "When you're out of Tomcats, you're out of fighters!"
ViperEagle Posted April 30, 2007 Posted April 30, 2007 I dont have to, it's living a comfortable retired life.
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