VVanks Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 a) The airspeed shown in the top left (not the smaller version), is it actual air speed or ground air speed? 'cause F2 view has a slightly different speed. b) is the altitude on the right shown as meters or feet? c) for Mig29 and other NATO aircraft, are all units shown in imperial? d) What are the best turning speeds for the different flyable aircraft in their respective imperial or metric forms (f-15 would be imperial I guess and Su27 would be in metric? Mig 29 speed is the one that is confusing) e) damn the imperial system. Homepage: http://www.worldwynd.net Coming Soon: http://www.simplywyn.com
51GRIZZLY Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 A - 10, F-15 and Luftwaffe MIG 29G have imperial. All other flyable have metric.
Cosmonaut Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 If I've understood you correctly then; A) In cockpit its IAS (Indicated Air Speed) which is measuring the airflow over the aircraft, so it will read slower speeds the higher your altitude even though your Mach and ground speed in F2 is increasing. Edit .. you might mean the assigned airspeed you chose in the mission editor. The airspeed on the top tells you what IAS speed will keep you at the correct ground speed which would have been chosen in the editor. B) If you're talking about F2 Alt then its user defined. Check whether you have Imperial or Metric in the options menu. C) Russian/ Ukraine = Meters. Nato (including German Mig29) = Feet. D) I don't really "Turn by numbers" ;) anymore but I think its Like Su27/33 400 to 450 kmph, Mig29 500 to 550 kmph and F15 is around 300 Mph.. I am probably way out but someone will know that's for sure. I usually just use what ever speed is appropriate for whatever situation and maneuver I require. I am more likely to be interested in the amount of G's I'm pulling. Cozmo. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Minimum effort, maximum satisfaction. CDDS Tutorial Version 3. | Main Screen Mods.
EscCtrl Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 If I've understood you correctly then; A) In cockpit its IAS (Indicated Air Speed) which is measuring the airflow over the aircraft, so it will read slower speeds the higher your altitude even though your Mach and ground speed in F2 is increasing. Edit .. you might mean the assigned airspeed you chose in the mission editor. The airspeed on the top tells you what IAS speed will keep you at the correct ground speed which would have been chosen in the editor. B) If you're talking about F2 Alt then its user defined. Check whether you have Imperial or Metric in the options menu. C) Russian/ Ukraine = Meters. Nato (including German Mig29) = Feet. D) I don't really "Turn by numbers" ;) anymore but I think its Like Su27/33 400 to 450 kmph, Mig29 500 to 550 kmph and F15 is around 300 Mph.. I am probably way out but someone will know that's for sure. I usually just use what ever speed is appropriate for whatever situation and maneuver I require. I am more likely to be interested in the amount of G's I'm pulling. It's about 700kmh for the flanker and 400mph for the eagle - roughly the same speed but those are the numbers to watch for on your HUD.
hitman Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 Metrics you should turn around 750-800 kph. E. You got beef with standard?? :mad: I piddy da' foo' who dont use feet and inches.
GGTharos Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 Do your own conversion. 1nm/kt=1.85km/kph 1m ~= 3feet For the F-15, you want to start cornering at 450-475, depending on aircraft weight (test it out yourself - the F-15 has significant radius changes at some point within its corner speed ... I think the breakpoint is about 420-430kts). Once you drop to 350, that is very bottom of your corner ... drop lower and you're really starting to lose (unless you're already putting the pipper on the guy) The flanker can corner well at those speeds too, but it's better at it at lower speeds ... it has a wicket instantaneous turn rate. The MiG turns okay, it has a great instantaneous turn rate, but you may want to use it more as an energy fighters - though having said that, what tactic/principle you'll use is highly dependent on the situation. d) What are the best turning speeds for the different flyable aircraft in their respective imperial or metric forms (f-15 would be imperial I guess and Su27 would be in metric? Mig 29 speed is the one that is confusing) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
hitman Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 Metric is superior to all formats of measurement. How?
GGTharos Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 I don't know, it failed me for quantum mechanics. Metric is superior to all formats of measurement. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda
Aeroscout Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 I have to agree with EscCtrl though 12 is divisible evenly by more numbers, the number 10 is easier to work with, which is why I prefer the metric system my self. And the entire world (with the exception of the stubborn US) uses the metric system. Maybe the US will eventually come around. DCS Wishlist: 1) FIX THE DAMN RIVERS!!! 2) Spherical or cylindrical panorama view projection. 3) Enhanced input options (action upon button release, etc). 4) Aircraft flight parameter dump upon exit (stick posn, attitude, rates, accel, control volume, control-surface positions, SAS bias, etc). 5) ADS-33 maneuver courses as static objects. 6) Exposed API or exports of trim position and stick force for custom controllers. 7) Select auto multiple audio devices
Ven Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 Well, in US, I meet people after people telling me they prefer imperial and fahrenheit over metrics and celcius. But it's funny when not many can answer (without looking up) when I ask what the boiling point and freezing point is in fahrenheit. Some people don't even know how to spell fahrenheit correctly either. Everyone knows 12 inches are 1 foot. But they're stumped when I ask how many yards are one mile. Imperial seems like some arbitrary numbers. You can't even call it a system because... there's no system to it whatsoever. British created imperial and even they abandoned it. It's time US gets rid of it too. This conversion costs millions of development cost in auto industry alone each year.
EscCtrl Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 To be honest I'm fairly apt with either format and can quickly convert between the two, but I'm very much used to using scientific measurements (much of it is in metric if not it's own format). The metric system is also more realistic in a sense it's based on actual conditions. e.g. water has a desnity of 1 so 1ton of water is 1m^3. It makes things easier to visualise on that principle. That's one example of a few. Also try converting 10cm^3 to m^3. I can do that in my head you simply divide by a million. change 10inchs^3 to feet^3 and you have to divide by 12^3 which is not such an easy sum personally. It all depends on what you are used to and what you deal with daily and for me my prefered choice is metric, though i could put up with imperial for most things too.
Brit_Radar_Dude Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 British created imperial and even they abandoned it.I grew up when the schools here in the UK were in the process of a teaching change-over from Imperial to Metric. This meant my generation ended up learning neither system particularly well. It felt like we were the lab rats in an educational experiment ( I'm great in mazes though....;) ). Hence I am in the position that I am more comfortable working in metric if I am measuring a wall when I plan to put up a shelf, yet I've no clue if I'll need a coat when the weathergirl tells me it's gonna be 11 C today. As for how big is a mile? LOL - It depends on your mile, in my line of work I've had to deal with miles (1,760 yds or 5,280ft), Admiralty Nautical miles (6080 ft), International Nautical miles (6076.11549 ft)..... .....and finally used by the RAF - Data miles (6,000 ft). [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Sorry Death, you lose! It was Professor Plum....
Ven Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 I know of one imperial measurement that's unversal in all country tho. I believe... rims are always measured in inches in all country regardless what that country's standard is.
warthogmadman987 Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 I have to agree with EscCtrl though 12 is divisible evenly by more numbers, the number 10 is easier to work with, which is why I prefer the metric system my self. And the entire world (with the exception of the stubborn US) uses the metric system. Maybe the US will eventually come around. I believe that the US will never turn around due to one fact: MONEY! Think about all the speed limit signs, cookbooks, measuring scales, and football fields that would need to be changed. It would be like funding a war, even if you do it over a period of decades...
Ven Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 I believe that the US will never turn around due to one fact: MONEY! Think about all the speed limit signs, cookbooks, measuring scales, and football fields that would need to be changed. It would be like funding a war, even if you do it over a period of decades... I disagree. Like I've said, the money saved will be significantly more than the money spent on switching. Especially over time. I think Americans are too proud to change... even tho it's not even their system. Remember Gerald Ford tried to change... everyone rejected it. Who first hijacked this thread by the way?
Camoman Posted May 31, 2007 Posted May 31, 2007 Well, in US, I meet people after people telling me they prefer imperial and fahrenheit over metrics and celcius. ..... Some people don't even know how to spell fahrenheit correctly either. :smartass: Hehehe thats fair funny, you just lightened up my morning with a bit of a laugh... It is celsius =IronAngels= Http://www.ironangelslockonsquad.com Iron Angels Lockon Squad Iron Angels: The Proud, The Few, The Elite
rogue_blade Posted June 1, 2007 Posted June 1, 2007 what i hate is going into f2 view and seeing the altitude and speed and i have NO idea how fast or how high I am. im just soo used to flying in feet and and knots. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Ironhand Posted June 1, 2007 Posted June 1, 2007 what i hate is going into f2 view and seeing the altitude and speed and i have NO idea how fast or how high I am. im just soo used to flying in feet and and knots. While I prefer metric myself, you can change the F2 status bar to imperial in Options/Difficulty. Click the "Imperial" radio button (default is "Metric"). This won't change what you see in the cockpit but it does change the measurement units for the F2 status bar and the Mission Editor. Rich YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 11 Pro x64, Asrock Z790 Steel Legend MoBo, Intel i7-13700K, MSI RKT 4070 Super 12GB, Corsair Dominator DDR5 RAM 32GB.
hitman Posted June 1, 2007 Posted June 1, 2007 Whats so great about metrics? Theres only 2 things you "Really" have to know about metrics, and that means water freezes at 0 and boils at 100. Maybe when they move time to metrics Ill consider it. Till then Ill drink my gallon of beer and eat my 21oz of delicious porterhouse...NOT my 3.7843L of beer and my 453.59 grams of dazed and confused dead cow.
EscCtrl Posted June 1, 2007 Posted June 1, 2007 Whats so great about metrics? Theres only 2 things you "Really" have to know about metrics, and that means water freezes at 0 and boils at 100. Maybe when they move time to metrics Ill consider it. Till then Ill drink my gallon of beer and eat my 21oz of delicious porterhouse...NOT my 3.7843L of beer and my 453.59 grams of dazed and confused dead cow. I drink my beer by the pint which is now exactly 0.5L (more than the old British standard, even though they keep the old label on the glasses) and 1lb of steak aka 0.5kg (again the metric is worth more :D)
golfsierra2 Posted June 1, 2007 Posted June 1, 2007 Metric is superior to all formats of measurement. Yup ! http://ts.nist.gov/WeightsAndMeasures/Metric/pub814.cfm § 204. Metric system authorized. - It shall be lawful throughout the United States of America to employ the weights and measures of the metric system; and no contract or dealing, or pleading in any court, shall be deemed invalid or liable to objection because the weights or measures expressed or referred to therein are weights or measures of the metric system. (14 Stat. 339, Adopted July 28,1866) kind regards, Raven.... [sigpic]http://www.crc-mindreader.de/CRT/images/Birds2011.gif[/sigpic]
hitman Posted June 1, 2007 Posted June 1, 2007 I drink my beer by the pint which is now exactly 0.5L (more than the old British standard, even though they keep the old label on the glasses) and 1lb of steak aka 0.5kg (again the metric is worth more :D) Actually its less than .5kg...closer to 0.453592 kg, and how impressive is that?
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