Poor deal with the A10-A

[gra1]

I normally fly the Spitfire and Mustang in the Normandy map where my main interest lies.

 

I like ground attack and thought that i would try out the A10. I did'nt want to shell out for the

A10-C with all the bells and whistles until i had seen what it's like to fly, so i opted for the cheaper A10-A.

 

I was very disappointed when i was about to start training that i discovered that

THERE ARE NO TRAINING OPTIONS for the A10-A.

 

Surely there must have been some sort of training associated with the original A10-A, why not just retain it. You can't sell an "in game module" without a training option, all the other modules have them.

 

Not good marketing ED, one disgruntled customer.

 

 

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[Mars Exulte]

With minor differences, all the FC level aircraft are nearly identical in function and controls. You can copy paste your settings from one to the next, make minor adjustments and be on your way. Before they were sold as separate modules, they didn't even have separate manuals. Besides, they'rebextremely simplified. There is not much to learn if you already achieved Flight 101. Just fly them,and experiment.

[Revelation]

I like ground attack and thought that i would try out the A10. I did'nt want to shell out for the A10-C with all the bells and whistles until i had seen what it's like to fly, so i opted for the cheaper A10-A.

Understood, but you should have gotten the A-10C, much better in every way. I still recommend that you get the 'Charlie' as it has way more features and options available. It also has training missions.

 

I was very disappointed when i was about to start training that i discovered that THERE ARE NO TRAINING OPTIONS for the A10-A.

Then you need to learn how to read. (not meant as an insult - just want to drive the point home) No where on the A-10A product page does it mention training missions.

 

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/a-10a_dcs_world/

 

Surely there must have been some sort of training associated with the original A10-A, why not just retain it.

Those old missions were built on a much older version of the Caucuses theatre and they are incompatible with the version we have today. It would take effort and resources on ED's part to update them for the new map. ED must have felt that it wasn't warranted.

 

You can't sell an "in game module" without a training option, all the other modules have them.

Very easy, they advertise what comes with each module. YOU made the mistake of expecting it to have what another module had. If YOU had read the product page you would have seen that it did not include training missions or interactive training missions.

 

Not good marketing ED, one disgruntled customer.

ED marketing did just fine; this is an example of a bad customer. The customer is not always right....

[gra1]

Understood, but you should have gotten the A-10C, much better in every way. I still recommend that you get the 'Charlie' as it has way more features and options available. It also has training missions.

 

Then you need to learn how to read. (not meant as an insult - just want to drive the point home) No where on the A-10A product page does it mention training missions.

 

https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/shop/modules/a-10a_dcs_world/

 

Those old missions were built on a much older version of the Caucuses theatre and they are incompatible with the version we have today. It would take effort and resources on ED's part to update them for the new map. ED must have felt that it wasn't warranted.

 

Very easy, they advertise what comes with each module. YOU made the mistake of expecting it to have what another module had. If YOU had read the product page you would have seen that it did not include training missions or interactive training missions.

 

ED marketing did just fine; this is an example of a bad customer. The customer is not always right....

Thanks for your thoughts.

I wonder if ED thought I was a bad customer when I handed over my money?

[norbot]

Thanks for your thoughts.

I wonder if ED thought I was a bad customer when I handed over my money?

 

 

I don't think ED thought of anything, when you handed your money over. The A-10A is a module that is something like 10 years old or even older, if you consider that you could already fly it in "Lock On" times. If you buy such an old module, you shouldn't expect too much. Have you ever asked yourself, why the A-10A module costs $ 14.99 while the A-10C is $ 59.99? :smartass:

[Johnny Dioxin]

Although I think you were asking for it a little, don't take these posts too much to heart - it's normal for this place to get sarcasm and unhelpful responses (just as it's normal for some here to fall over backwards to try and help). There's also a distinct group of DCS module snobs here who look down on anything concerning Flaming Cliffs - even though without it DCS wouldn't exist.

 

In the meantime, my Google site might help you a bit:

 

https://sites.google.com/view/virtual-pilot/home/a-10a

 

Also, if you have a read through the manual that comes with FC aircraft you should be pretty much sorted - it isn't difficult to operate, though it can seem a bit much to start with.

 

I suggest watching some of the older FC videos as the changes made have been pretty minor, as far as systems operation goes. Since FC1, there have only been video tutorials for FC planes, with a couple of exceptions.

 

I can provide further documents if required - I kept copies of all the old training stuff.

 

There are also plenty of vids on YT - such as:

 

 

 

This is actually a pretty good module, since they updated it. I would advise searching out Chris Frishmuth's (Beach AV8R) after action reports from FC2 - the missions he flew are still available in FC3. You will see how much fun can be had with this plane.

[falcon_120]

Dont be discouraged by any comment, in general this community is helpful but it is also harsh with respect to people wanting too much sometimes.

 

The A10A module was actually never an standalone module, rather it was also part of a bigger package, first it was lock on, then FC1, FC2 up to FC3. At some point, when ED developed a professional flight model for the A10C, it was a rather rationale choice to move this to the A10A with all necessary changes (related to a bit different flight dynamics). Once everything was sorted they decided to sell it as a separate product in case someone was not interested in the whole package; FC3.

 

The problem is, since FC3 all share a lot of common functionality, many of the training missions that you would expect to have in the A10A, are actually made in a different plane, like the su27.

 

Good news for you is, as an original FC3 plane, that to simplify even more does not have a radar, anything you want to do is done with no more than 10-15 buttons. That`s it, from navigation, to AG pounding and AR, everything can be done with these limited number of key presses in total. So if you know how to fly a WWII plane, and all the basic principles of flying, you should be good to go with the A10A. Also it comes with a wonderful simple manual that'll get you going.

 

I hope you dont give up on ED because of this, cause trust me that any of their professional modules like the A10C or the hornet, are really breathtaking.

 

Regards,

[Ramsay]

I like ground attack and thought that i would try out the A10. I did'nt want to shell out for the A10-C with all the bells and whistles until i had seen what it's like to fly, so i opted for the cheaper A10-A.

It's not a bad aircraft, though do you get what you pay for.

 

I bought the standalone A-10A module in 2013, for it's 'The Valley' campaign so perhaps think of it as the price of a standalone campaign with a free FC3 aircraft, rather than judge it as a standalone.

 

I was very disappointed when i was about to start training that i discovered that

THERE ARE NO TRAINING OPTIONS for the A10-A.

It's an unfortunate consequence of making FC3 aircraft available separately, as often it's assumed you will have learn't the basic techniques from a previous training mission/campaign for another FC3 aircraft (FC3 lost some of the mission structure of the original Flaming Cliffs).

 

Surely there must have been some sort of training associated with the original A10-A, why not just retain it. You can't sell an "in game module" without a training option, all the other modules have them.

And there, you have your answer "all the other modules have them", ED have put quite a bit of work into improving the Su-25T's training and missions so it serves as an introduction to the other FC3 aircraft and DCS in general.

 

Not good marketing ED, one disgruntled customer.

You are disappointed in the module, so IMHO ED haven't managed your expectations correctly.

 

OTOH it could be seen as 'good marketing', they made a sale - but at the expense of customer satisfaction.

 

Note: I felt the same with the F-15C as, IMHO the FC3 foundation skills for that is in the Su-27's training, missions, etc.

 

Training and lack of module content is less of an issue once you can throw a mission together in the ME i.e. spawn a aircraft, some targets and bomb them, etc.

 

So perhaps look at the ME to enhance your A-10A training, as it'll serve you well in the future if you haven't used it before.

 

I imagine there will be a few A-10C, Su-25, etc. missions in the DCS user files section that can be converted for A-10A use as well.

Edited October 5, 2018 by Ramsay

[boedha68]

I believe training options A10-A are in the caucasus map. You should download them there. It's still in my memory i thought, hope i'm not wrong. :D

[strikers_blade]

I normally fly the Spitfire and Mustang in the Normandy map where my main interest lies.

 

I like ground attack and thought that i would try out the A10. I did'nt want to shell out for the

A10-C with all the bells and whistles until i had seen what it's like to fly, so i opted for the cheaper A10-A.

 

I was very disappointed when i was about to start training that i discovered that

THERE ARE NO TRAINING OPTIONS for the A10-A.

 

Surely there must have been some sort of training associated with the original A10-A, why not just retain it. You can't sell an "in game module" without a training option, all the other modules have them.

 

Not good marketing ED, one disgruntled customer.

 

 

Win10,i7-7700HQ'2.8GHz,Ram-16Mb'2400MHz,SSD'256Gb,Graphics-intel-630'1MB + NVIDIA-GTX'1060-6Gb,HD-1Tb

Track IR, Voice Attack.

 

Gra1, please tell me you AT LEAST did this before coming in the forums and posting; http://bfy.tw/KDWG

[gra1]

Thanks very much for your reply, it's helpful and instructive. I will certainly check out your Google page as suggested.

ps. I love DCS and the Mustang is a delight to fly.

Cheers

[gra1]

Thanks for your advice.

[gra1]

Thanks for the explanation and advice. Last night I found a quick start guide and flew the airplane, honestly I wasn't too impressed, so for now I'm going back to flying the Mustang which I really like.

As for DCS, I think it's the best flight sim around at the moment, so I will definitely be sticking around.

Cheers.

[gra1]

That's good advice, thanks.

[gra1]

I did do that and I actually flew the airplane last night.

I guess after buying the Spitfire and Mustang modules which were excellent, my expectations were suddenly shocked with the A10A lack of training which annoyed me a bit.

Anyway, life goes on. Nice to hear from you.

[David OC]

I did do that and I actually flew the airplane last night.

I guess after buying the Spitfire and Mustang modules which were excellent, my expectations were suddenly shocked with the A10A lack of training which annoyed me a bit.

Anyway, life goes on. Nice to hear from you.

 

 

You might want to hit the quote button when replying to posts, so others know who you are referring to gra1.;)

[Holbeach]

The original Lock On A10A, had 6 training missions, which I am surprised to find, still work, but no specific training manual.

 

 

I guess they were too old to upgrade to DCS standard.

 

 

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