Su25T is so buggy

[Boberro]

I have a problem with su25t. Example when I start fast (I drive very fast on runway, or start full loaded from taxi) the su's horizontal line is contorted some degrees (example 5 degrees). I'll show you what I mean on pictures.

 

On this picture all is OK. The horizont is OK, the daturm is placed simultaneously the regard of the ground.

 

 

But if I do something "wrong" (even don't know what exactly...) sometimes su25t crash... example that picture.

 

 

Sometimes when on start i press Rwin+Home and Shift+L and Ctrl+c too fast the engines stop on 20% and dont want run more. There is only one solve - eject and try again.

None of other planes are so bugged like that Su25T!!!

 

It is fine ED released Su25T, but before release it could be good idea to check it... or employ good testers.:cry:

[Laivynas]

RTFM

 

First read manual, than blame somebody! :mad:

[Ulrich]

It is fine ED released Su25T, but before release it could be good idea to check it... or employ good testers.:cry:

 

It could be good idea to read manual before shouting how buggy 25 is and make your opinion on testers.

[Highwayman-Ed]

RTFM

 

First read manual, than blame somebody! :mad:

 

LOL, Harsh, but you've got a point :thumbup:

[Laivynas]

Ofcource, there is one small point - if Your stick throttle control is not calibrated properly or is noisy, than You can't put it to stop position requared for engine launch on Su-25/25T.

[159th_Viper]

Trust Me - There is nothing wrong with the T-Frog ;)

 

Once you have switched on the APU - wait a wee while for the Gauges/Gyro's to stabilize BEFORE you attempt to start her up.

 

Once all the Gauges have visually stopped spinning etc etc and you have waited a while longer (can take this time to close the cockpit/Nav Lights etc etc) ONLY THEN attempt to start the engines:

 

Set Throttle to Idle

 

Start Engines.

 

If not set to Idle - you experience the scenario you are faced with in that you are Flooding the Engines with Fuel - if left will start a Fire.

 

If Engines Flooded - stop the Engines and Wait for a Coupla Minutes and repeat the Start-Up with Engines set to Idle.

 

Also - do not Taxi at Speed exceeding 30km/h - the Violent manouevering can also lead to your "horizontal line" being "contorted".

 

 

And Oh Yes...........Almost Forgot............

 

RTFM

[Frostie]

Its not good testers that need employing its making people realise this aint a pick up and play game.

If you don't fancy Reading The F Manual though you could always go back to AceCombat.:P

[Boberro]

If I somebody offended - sorry. But that what I wrote in post happen also after take-off. Often soon as I take off and want maneuver it (not strong only little...), something happen and Su25T goes alone - i mean is not under my control - like CPU "steal" it from me to itself. And crash. Also when I fly over 3000 m (and above, and under) it can happen too (sometimes example I cant pull down, even didn't press autopilot and Su goes up up up up... and crash).

This contorted horizon line often exist after strong (very) turnings or usual strong maneuvers on all sides. And least rather rare but sometimes when I press a flares button and something also, example horizontal steering (X and Z), plane can behave like plane which was trimmed much as possible (turn on right or left). This is rare but exist from time to time (not always).

[Frostie]

Could be something you've done to the settings for your joystick or the buttons you've selected , maybe you are pressing something wrong because this is not how the Su-25T behaves at all.

Try the Su-25vanilla see how that behaves for you.

[hitman]

RTFM being read the fine manual. I have yet to see a problem with the Su-25T, Ive seen the whiskey marker tilted at odd angles at level flight, but thats only because I accidentally switched the power off and had to realign the instruments in flight. Oh yeah its a bag of a$#$ to fly.

[Jester_159th]

You're not allowing your instruments time to settle between turning on the electrics with Shift+L and starting engines. Do as 159th_Viper said and your problems will be gone. It is (as everyone else has said) in the manual.

 

I'd also suggest you download the Su25T familiarisation flight tutorial from Ironhand's site and watch it from start to finish. 45 minutes long but time well spent if you want to master flying the 25T. (Longtime since I watched it so check that the LOMAC version the track file was recorded with still matches the latest one otherwise you may get strange things happening.)

[sp0nge]

RTFM = Read the flight manual?

[EvilBivol-1]

aha... flight. ;)

[sp0nge]

Thanks Evil,

 

So many acronyms and abbreviations i've never heard of!

[159th_Viper]

....But that what I wrote in post happen also after take-off. Often soon as I take off and want maneuver it (not strong only little...), something happen and Su25T goes alone - i mean is not under my control - like CPU "steal" it from me to itself. And crash. Also when I fly over 3000 m (and above, and under) it can happen too (sometimes example I cant pull down, even didn't press autopilot and Su goes up up up up... and crash).

This contorted horizon line often exist after strong (very) turnings or usual strong maneuvers on all sides. And least rather rare but sometimes when I press a flares button and something also, example horizontal steering (X and Z), plane can behave like plane which was trimmed much as possible (turn on right or left). This is rare but exist from time to time (not always).

 

Heed the Advice as afore-said. Should you then still experience the problems as you have detailed in the quote then record a track and post it for us to have a look at - we might just stumble upon a solution by having a first-hand look at the Flight :)

 

 

You gotta remember - imperative that you treat her (T-Frog) like a Lady: Only then will she Purr for you. Gently does it - no violent manouevering unless you want to turn her into a Brick ;)

 

Good Luck and Keep Practicing.

 

 

 

:pilotfly:

[Yo-Yo]

If I somebody offended - sorry. But that what I wrote in post happen also after take-off. Often soon as I take off and want maneuver it (not strong only little...), something happen and Su25T goes alone - i mean is not under my control - like CPU "steal" it from me to itself. And crash. Also when I fly over 3000 m (and above, and under) it can happen too (sometimes example I cant pull down, even didn't press autopilot and Su goes up up up up... and crash).

This contorted horizon line often exist after strong (very) turnings or usual strong maneuvers on all sides. And least rather rare but sometimes when I press a flares button and something also, example horizontal steering (X and Z), plane can behave like plane which was trimmed much as possible (turn on right or left). This is rare but exist from time to time (not always).

 

Be ready for Black Shark... :) it has much more undersurface reefs.

[Boberro]

Thank you very all very much for help. I'll try to make record, and that will be best.:)

[Boberro]

OK, I tried to record it but when I wanna record it not seems to bug Su25T:P. So today when I played online created screenshots, for show example.

 

Here we can see bug, even plane is straight the horizont line is screwed .

 

 

 

 

And least - always when Su25T starts it little turns to left. It seems it is not too good forced in...(?) It happens always Su25(T). Example in Su27 it no exist. You can vew records :)

 

http://rapidshare.com/files/46126613/Tracki_dla_Su25T_oraz_Su27.rar.html

 

If I do something wrong tell me what wrong.

Thx.

[159th_Viper]

 

If I do something wrong tell me what wrong.

Thx.

 

To provide your answer to your question ;), read below....

 

 

This contorted horizon line often exist after strong (very) turnings or usual strong maneuvers on all sides.

 

No reason to pull High-G/Angle of Bank Manouevers in the T-Frog. Plan your Flight/Ingress to Target carefully and avoid situations where you gotta have to Toss her around the Sky like a Beach-Ball - she does not Like it.

[Laivynas]

Su-27/33, MiG-29(A/S), F-15C, A-10A have different FM from Su-25(T).

[Boberro]

Su-27/33, MiG-29(A/S), F-15C, A-10A have different FM from Su-25(T).

 

That I know, but why Su25/T little turns left immadietly after takeoff...

[Yo-Yo]

Look at its nose leg.

[159th_Viper]

That I know, but why Su25/T little turns left immadietly after takeoff...

 

I assume that your Flight-Stick is properly Calibrated and your input set to Linear. Also ensure your Load-Out is Symmetrical and that your Pitch, Roll and Yaw Trim Indicator Lamps are lit prior to Take-Off. Once you have taken off constantly trim the Aircraft to maintain Level Flight.

[brewber19]

Boberro:

 

(1) Taxi at <30kph and only 15-20kph for corners...don't bust the nose-wheel.

 

(2) Don't bank the aircraft at take-off until the gear is FULLY UP...this is what screws the artificial horizon. A nice gentle climb out in-line with the runway, no banking ok? ;)

 

(3) As Viper said, ensure your payload is symmetrical...very important.

 

(4) Make sure you aren't accidentally changing trim settings or activating an auto-pilot mode...as dumb as that sounds, and it is, I did this occasionally when I first created my HOTAS profile...I only did it twice ("level" flight on TO and I fought the stick thereafter), so do a quick check just in case ;)

 

Thats all from me, the only thing to add is treat her gentle, the 'T' is a pig to fly aggressively, the Vanilla less so but....they ain't fighters bud ;)

[Boberro]

Thank you all for help.

 

That helped much.

 

I learned if I don't wanna troubles better don't maneuver too much and don't maneuver after start (in air), cause longer position above 30-45 degrees crash horizontal line. And ect.