AG-51_Sabot Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 Chuck, can you hook a brother up anytime soon? I know I appreciate everything you have done and just want to say thanks in advance!!! "There is an art … to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy https://www.cag-51.org/contact
drPhibes Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3626781&postcount=211
Harlikwin Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 Yeah, i asked a while back, and no go for tomcat. Hopefully someone else makes on in that style. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).
Eldur Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 TBH with that background I still don't get why he then literally wrote up a very detailled startup guide for the 'cat that's on Mudspike.
fl0w Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 C'est la vie. Even if Chuck is unable to help support the loyal Kitty fans in having a guide, I believe that certainly there will be other great and talented chaps out there to make one for us. :)
shagrat Posted March 3, 2019 Posted March 3, 2019 TBH with that background I still don't get why he then literally wrote up a very detailled startup guide for the 'cat that's on Mudspike.My guess is, because the Startup is part of the public available F-14A/B manuals. The "Guide" would include system operations for weapon employment, LANTIRN, etc. which is likely touching much more sensitive areas... Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore)
AG-51_Sabot Posted March 3, 2019 Author Posted March 3, 2019 Just a simple what keyboard commands do what "guide" "There is an art … to flying. The knack lies in learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss." Douglas Adams, The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy https://www.cag-51.org/contact
Harlikwin Posted March 4, 2019 Posted March 4, 2019 The manual is out, that should have key bindings. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).
Eldur Posted March 4, 2019 Posted March 4, 2019 The keybindings stuff has become so much easier since we don't have to quit the mission everytime we want to change them anymore. That was a total pain in the plot back then.
dali Posted March 4, 2019 Posted March 4, 2019 (edited) As much as I enjoy and like Chuck's manuals, I don't understand his fears over breaching some US embargo. He did F-5 guide and...guess what.... Edited March 4, 2019 by dali
shagrat Posted March 4, 2019 Posted March 4, 2019 As much as I enjoy and like Chuck's manuals, I don't understand his fears over breaching some US embargo. He did F-5 guide and...guess what.... Different aircraft. The F-5 was basically produced for export and did not have any state of the art tech, when exported. The F-14 is totally different thing. Honestly, it is not for us to decide on what Chuck deems a risk to his job, or personal situation. If he even remotely feels like it is a risk, it is a valid concern. End of story. Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore)
Firebird1955 Posted March 4, 2019 Posted March 4, 2019 Agree 100% with that. There is nothing here that warrants someone jeopardizing their job. BTW did anyone notice the nose of the F-4E sitting just aft of the F-5F????? System Specs: System Specs: MSI Tomahawk Z590 wifi, I9 11900K Processor, 64gb Corsair Vengance 3600mhz ram, 4070TI Video Card, Windows 11 Pro, 2 Samsung NVMe SSD (2tb and 1 tb), Valve Index VR system
TLTeo Posted March 4, 2019 Posted March 4, 2019 I respect his decision but I also find his stance odd - as in, I find it strange he would risk losing his job just because of a guide. It's not like his guides have any more information than what can be found in the manual, plus you would think a trained IRIAF crew would know how to operate the AWG-9 better than any sim pilot...
mkosmo Posted March 5, 2019 Posted March 5, 2019 I respect his decision but I also find his stance odd - as in, I find it strange he would risk losing his job just because of a guide. It's not like his guides have any more information than what can be found in the manual, plus you would think a trained IRIAF crew would know how to operate the AWG-9 better than any sim pilot... The Tomcat is a different creature. The US didn't go through the effort to shred F5s, F4s, or any other service aircraft still in use by those less-than-friendly with the US. You don't mess with export compliance, particularly if it's an ITAR concern. For things that may bite you under ITAR, you very much error on the side of caution.
shagrat Posted March 5, 2019 Posted March 5, 2019 I respect his decision but I also find his stance odd - as in, I find it strange he would risk losing his job just because of a guide. It's not like his guides have any more information than what can be found in the manual, plus you would think a trained IRIAF crew would know how to operate the AWG-9 better than any sim pilot...Laws and regulations do not follow the rules of logic. If the text says you go to jail if you mention the name Jehovah, you will be prosecuted, found guilty and thrown in jail no matter if everyone knows it, it has been published, can be googled on the internet... Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore)
mkosmo Posted March 5, 2019 Posted March 5, 2019 Laws and regulations do not follow the rules of logic. If the text says you go to jail if you mention the name Jehovah, you will be prosecuted, found guilty and thrown in jail no matter if everyone knows it, it has been published, can be googled on the internet... It may not make sense to you, but the law doesn't just let you do something bad because somebody else already did it. Just because cocaine is already available on the street doesn't mean it's less bad if you start selling it.
shagrat Posted March 5, 2019 Posted March 5, 2019 It may not make sense to you, but the law doesn't just let you do something bad because somebody else already did it. Just because cocaine is already available on the street doesn't mean it's less bad if you start selling it.No, it does make sense in that case. That's what I meant it may not be obvious, but laws and regulations are binding. The difference is cocaine is a tangible "good", whereas the titel and story of a film in production is an information/data and intangible. So if a dozen websites leak the titel and story is the press article with the same information still a crime, or just the breach of NDA or data theft of the original source? Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore)
mkosmo Posted March 5, 2019 Posted March 5, 2019 No, it does make sense in that case. That's what I meant it may not be obvious, but laws and regulations are binding. The difference is cocaine is a tangible "good", whereas the titel and story of a film in production is an information/data and intangible. So if a dozen websites leak the titel and story is the press article with the same information still a crime, or just the breach of NDA or data theft of the original source? Digital data is also a tangible good. ITAR doesn't make a distinction. Technical drawings in autocad format or technical documents describing things can still be export restricted... and just because somebody else already "exported" it once (no matter how they got it) doesn't mean it's all of a sudden acceptable to disregard your responsibility to protect export-restricted information from unauthorized disclosure or export. In this case, it's not so much a title that'd be a problem -- It's Chuck being concerned about the contents of a paper teaching you to fly a Tomcat would be treading in to the grounds of export-restricted technical data. Without in export compliance review, it'd be tough to determine, particularly if it's not original data but derived from fictional documentation that we have, but I fully understand his desire to not tread in to murky waters.
shagrat Posted March 5, 2019 Posted March 5, 2019 Digital data is also a tangible good. ITAR doesn't make a distinction. Technical drawings in autocad format or technical documents describing things can still be export restricted... and just because somebody else already "exported" it once (no matter how they got it) doesn't mean it's all of a sudden acceptable to disregard your responsibility to protect export-restricted information from unauthorized disclosure or export. In this case, it's not so much a title that'd be a problem -- It's Chuck being concerned about the contents of a paper teaching you to fly a Tomcat would be treading in to the grounds of export-restricted technical data. Without in export compliance review, it'd be tough to determine, particularly if it's not original data but derived from fictional documentation that we have, but I fully understand his desire to not tread in to murky waters. Absolutely what I mentioned earlier. ITAR or other regulations take care about giving access to information and thus his concern in providing any information in form of a training is potentially a violation is absolutely valid. It does not matter if dozens of other people already provided the information. If I understood that part correctly, making training material about the Tomcat available to certain parties is the point. The other discussion was about the distinction between distributing cocaine versus distributing information in general, as the analogy was flawed. Roman law does make a profound distinction between tangible goods and data/information. It has something to do with logic. An information for example, can not be owned by someone in the way he can own a box of cocaine. Simple proof if I acquire the knowledge of your name and address, you still know where you live and what your name is, the information is still there, it has been "duplicated". Now I cannot be forced to "forget" the information, ok may be lobotomized, but that isn't how it works. That is different with tangible goods, that can be owned and stolen because if I have the box of cocaine (or cookies) you can't have it at the same time. As for data, it is usually a crime to break into an IT-System. The possession of knowledge data on the other hand isn't... the problem with the lobotomy. ;) Shagrat - Flying Sims since 1984 - Win 10 | i5 10600K@4.1GHz | 64GB | GeForce RTX 3090 - Asus VG34VQL1B | TrackIR5 | Simshaker & Jetseat | VPForce Rhino Base & VIRPIL T50 CM2 Stick on 200mm curved extension | VIRPIL T50 CM2 Throttle | VPC Rotor TCS Plus/Apache64 Grip | MFG Crosswind Rudder Pedals | WW Top Gun MIP | a hand made AHCP | 2x Elgato StreamDeck (Buttons galore)
mkosmo Posted March 5, 2019 Posted March 5, 2019 Absolutely what I mentioned earlier. ITAR or other regulations take care about giving access to information and thus his concern in providing any information in form of a training is potentially a violation is absolutely valid. It does not matter if dozens of other people already provided the information. If I understood that part correctly, making training material about the Tomcat available to certain parties is the point. The other discussion was about the distinction between distributing cocaine versus distributing information in general, as the analogy was flawed. Roman law does make a profound distinction between tangible goods and data/information. It has something to do with logic. An information for example, can not be owned by someone in the way he can own a box of cocaine. Simple proof if I acquire the knowledge of your name and address, you still know where you live and what your name is, the information is still there, it has been "duplicated". Now I cannot be forced to "forget" the information, ok may be lobotomized, but that isn't how it works. That is different with tangible goods, that can be owned and stolen because if I have the box of cocaine (or cookies) you can't have it at the same time. As for data, it is usually a crime to break into an IT-System. The possession of knowledge data on the other hand isn't... the problem with the lobotomy. ;) It's a dated analogy, though. Intellectual property is a thing, and protected information is protected the same as tangible goods now.
dali Posted March 6, 2019 Posted March 6, 2019 in this case Heatblur should be worried. They produced a tool to train Iranian F-14 pilots. . Cobra, you better stay off the US soil. (sarcasm)
F900EX Posted March 6, 2019 Posted March 6, 2019 I respect his decision, hopefully, others will too, if you don't like his decision then make a guide for the DCS community
mkosmo Posted March 6, 2019 Posted March 6, 2019 I respect his decision, hopefully, others will too, if you don't like his decision then make a guide for the DCS community Fortunately Heatblur already did... their documentation already released is pretty great.
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