Pilot to RIO: No Iceman AI?

[Crimson_Ghost138]

Am i doing something wrong with this?

 

I cant seem to get "Iceman" AI to just keep the plane steady while i am switching from Pilot-Seat to RIO in Singleplayer. Even when i give them a command via the control menu, he confirms but not doing anything? Do i have to enable him like pushing an autopilot button or isnt that feature modelled just yet? :helpsmilie:

 

It seems like it does nothing, so when i switch to RIO, the airplane just drifts to the ground and crashes...

[some1]

Yeah, would be nice to hear some more details on Iceman abilities. It's not really covered in the manual.

 

Sometimes it seems to activate and keep the aircraft steady, sometimes it just throttles back and lets the aircraft dive to the ground.

[Impact]

Iceman can't do much, this is what the manual says:

 

"In addition to Jester, or rather, as a subset of the Jester AI, the Heatblur DCS F-14B also has Iceman, a basic autopi-

lot/AI. This is intended for use in singleplayer where a player might jump between the front and back seats to control

both positions and enables a basic autopilot controllable from the back seat using the same methodology as the Jester

controls from the front seat.

 

The basic functionality is that when the player switches to the RIO seat, Iceman takes control and on the current

heading and altitude. The, now Iceman, menu then allows the player to set heading, altitude and speed. Heading and

altitude can be set relative a target or as absolutes not referencing an external target."

[some1]

Problem is, he doesn't seem to do even that.

[Crimson_Ghost138]

Yep, thats the problem. If he would just level the Cat and fly straight, that would be a nice beginning for getting familiar with RIO cockpit in Singleplayer :)

 

Who can confirm it is WORKING at his machine??

[jonsky7]

Well my aircraft starts into a dive when switching to RIO seat but if I'm quick on the menu

 

A then Ctrl-8 for hold current

 

he levels off, maintains speed and heading.

 

Then as long as I remain in RIO seat, the ICEMAN menu seems to work fine.

[bogeyatyour6]

Yeah, it also works on mine. Once you switch to RIO, open Iceman with "A" and then point to the option you want (relative altitude, heading, speed). I do it with the mouse but as stated above, it also works with the proper keybind.

[Crimson_Ghost138]

Yeah, it also works on mine. Once you switch to RIO, open Iceman with "A" and then point to the option you want (relative altitude, heading, speed). I do it with the mouse but as stated above, it also works with the proper keybind.

 

Do you just switch to RIO from Pilot or do you engage the autopilot before you do that?

 

I got it to work yesterday, doing it like this:

 

Engage Autopilot in Altitude Hold mode (its tricky because when you move your stick it goes out of that mode...) and then quickly switch to RIO, then it works as intended and i can command him and he responses! All works well. The tricky part is to get Iceman to "lock", so without engaging the autopilot manually i can´t seem to get it to work.

 

But maybe thats the way it should be?

[Ickx]

I just move back. The plane need to be in lever flight. I tried to jump back during a roll but that did not work out well.

[bogeyatyour6]

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I just move back. The plane need to be in lever flight. I tried to jump back during a roll but that did not work out well.

 

Same here. Never bothered using the autopilot. Last time I used any kind of autopilot was in a 12000km non stop test flight using a MD-11F in FS2004 ^^

 

Simply try to fly level and make the switch and see if it works for you.

[Tiramisu]

I wish to have an option for Iceman to hold the current position of my joystick and throttle, when I switch to the RIO seat. It would make life much easier imo.

[Eldur]

Problem is, he doesn't seem to do even that.

 

The only thing he does with certainty is holding speed by rocking the throttles to and fro, gating them to full AB to increase speed or pulling them back to idle to reduce speed.

 

Trying to make him hold heading and altitude is like a lottery game. Chances are very thin this actually happens. At least at the moment...

 

Well, I haven't tried using his skills before FFB got implemented and as the autopilot doesn't work as well, I guess there's coincidence. BTW I always try to stabilize my aircraft as much as possible for level flight with trim et al before switching to the other seat.

[Ramsay]

I haven't tried using his skills before FFB got implemented and as the autopilot doesn't work as well, I guess there's coincidence. BTW I always try to stabilize my aircraft as much as possible for level flight with trim et al before switching to the other seat.

 

Iceman won't take control if the FFB stick has a non-zero trim center.

 

The work around is to use the controls indicator (RCtrl+Enter) to center trim and stick before switching to the RIO seat.

 

 

Tested in DCS Open Beta 2.5.4.29585

[rikkles]

Iceman won't take control and keep the plane level if there are any pilot actions on the flight surfaces. This includes the plane not being level, or the trim being too aggressive.

This is of course wrong from a UX perspective, and hopefully it'll be fixed soon.

 

In the meantime, level the plane and keep the trim centered before jumping seats, and the autolevel will work.

[monkie]

I've never had a problem with ole ICEMAN, he has always leveled the aircraft pretty well. I guess I never handed it over to him in some silly untrimmed out of whack state, he doesn't get paid enough to care at that point he says.

[ctguy1955]

Can someone please help Me. Ive printed out the manual and Jester non iceman is a page and a half. Ive watched many youtube videos. I cannot get Jester to do anything after I hit the

"A" key once or twice for different menus. My mouse can swing the line around but nothing

I press does anything. Manual says Cntrl and 1-8 keys. That does nothing.

 

I would like to shoot the aim 54 at 6 bombers 40 miles away. I need info from jester and am

not getting much.

 

It would be nice if there was a training .miz or .trk with audio explaining things.

 

One more small issue. No matter what I try now, I cant get into another plane with

right ALT + J any longer. I like being able to jump into another jet before I have to

parachute out. This has not worked for me for awhile now, was the option deleted

in a recent update ?

 

Thanks for some help as I have tried everything and am stuck and need some info.

 

Mike

 

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I went back and read the manual and it just says Control + your choice of 1-8. Thought I tried left cntl as well as right.

 

I was able to find the info I needed right in the Flight Sims menu about Jester.

My apologies for not finding out sooner on my Own.

 

Now to go back and watch the YouTube videos !!!

 

I do still need to know about what is going on with jumping into another aircraft

that Right Alt + J used to do. ( found out in a old Mustang manual that rt win J now works !)

Edited May 9, 2019 by ctguy1955
No help with RT ALT and J to jump into another jet