Boondoggle Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 Hi guys and gals, My PC is starting to show its age now and I wonder if others could help me advise on parts for upgrading my PC as I’m not savvy enough to attempt myself. My PC currently, Case: Coolermaster CM690 MkII Advanced Case Processor: Intel Core i7-2600 Quad Core 3.40GHz 8mb Cache + HD Graphics Motherboard: Asus P8z68-V/Gen3: PCI-E 3.0 Ready, SLI, CrossfireX RAM: 8GB Samsung Dual-DDR3 1333MHz (2 x 4GB) Graphics Card: Gigabyte NVIDIA GeForce GTX 770 Hard Disk: 1TB WD Caviar Black WD1002FAEX, SATA 6Gb/s, 64mb cache (7200rpm) DVD Drive: 24x Dual Layer DVD Writer Power Supply: Corsair 650W Enthusiast Series TX650, V2-80 Plus Processor Cooling: Super Quiet 22dBA Triple a Copper Heatpipe Intel CPU Cooler OS: Win 7 Home Premium 64 Bit Many Thanks in advance! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Svsmokey Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 What is your output goal ? 1080p ? 1440 ? 4k ? VR ? 9700k @ stock , Aorus Pro Z390 wifi , 32gb 3200 mhz CL16 , 1tb EVO 970 , MSI RX 6800XT Gaming X TRIO , Seasonic Prime 850w Gold , Coolermaster H500m , Noctua NH-D15S , CH Pro throttle and T50CM2/WarBrD base on Foxxmounts , CH pedals , Reverb G2v2
tintifaxl Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 Keep the case, power supply and DVD drive. Maybe the cooler fits the new cpu. Everything else should be replaced. Windows 10 64bit, Intel i9-9900@5Ghz, 32 Gig RAM, MSI RTX 3080 TI, 2 TB SSD, 43" 2160p@1440p monitor.
MegOhm_SD Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 SSDs! Cooler Master HAF XB EVO , ASUS P8Z77-V, i7-3770K @ 4.6GHz, Noctua AC, 32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro, EVGA 1080TI 11GB, 2 Samsung 840 Pro 540GB SSDs Raid 0, 1TB HDD, EVGA SuperNOVA 1300W PS, G930 Wireless SS Headset, TrackIR5/Wireless Proclip, TM Warthog, Saitek Pro Combat Pedals, 75" Samsung 4K QLED, HP Reverb G2, Win 10
hansangb Posted June 6, 2019 Posted June 6, 2019 Yeah, I agree. Even if you're going to keep the current rig for a while, go get some SSDs. There is *ZERO* reason now to hang on to HDD. And you can take it with you when you upgrade. hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1
Boondoggle Posted June 6, 2019 Author Posted June 6, 2019 Thanks for replies all. I’m not looking to go VR etc, just to run dcs modules smoothly and some FPS shooters. Kind Regards [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Waxer Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 If you don't know how to choose components and build yourself then get a premade PC from someone like Dell's Alienware or Overclockers. Particularly on lower-end gaming PCs all the assembly work they do doesn't actually cost you anything compared to the cost of buying and assembling yourself. (On top specification PCs, you can save more money by building yourself). As your PC is old you could start afresh with something like this: https://www.dell.com/en-uk/shop/desktops-and-all-in-ones/new-alienware-aurora/spd/alienware-aurora-r8-desktop/D00AWR801 Make sure you have an SSD in the system, even if you have HDDs as well. Make sure - for DCS - you have a bare minimum of 16GB, and frankly it is better to upgrade immediately, if you can afford it, to 32GB. I appreciate that you end up spending a lot of money... but hey, that is the nature of PC gaming / PC Master Race, compared with consoles. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Delta59R Posted June 7, 2019 Posted June 7, 2019 If you want to keep the same Mobo, pick up a used 3770k cpu, a used additional 8gb ram (2x4), and a used gtx1070. Otherwise I would just do a complete new build. Meshify C w Noctua Fans, MSI Carbon Z790, 13900KS, 64gb 7200 Gskill, MSI 4090, MSI 240, Sam 1tb m2, Sam 2tb m2, Seasonic 1000w, MSFF2 Stick + X56 Throttle, HP Reverb G2, Sony 83in A90J OLED
Mr_Burns Posted June 8, 2019 Posted June 8, 2019 Download a GPU monitor, I run a 2600k and there is still plenty of room in DCS but my GPU is 100%. I too am upgrading, I do have a 250gb SSD but just bought a 1TB SSD for the new rig and as my 250 is now full. I can now cross 1TB SSD off my new build and decide what to buy next, will be a GPU. I wouldn’t update RAM on that old board, just buy things that can go in your new rig.
Talonr Posted June 9, 2019 Posted June 9, 2019 @Boondoggle, I tend to use https://pcpartpicker.com/ whenever I am speccing a new build. While I've been an Intel guy for some time, I'm seriously considering Ryzen for my next build. My son built a Ryzen 7 system a few months ago and it is smoking fast. I don't number crunch but it has smoked everything we've thrown at it. I also agree SSDs are the way to go. I installed a 500GB SSD, dedicated to DCS and IL2, on my system and there was a noticeable decrease in load times. My future build will be SSDs for OS and sims and a hybrid for storage. Good luck,
MegOhm_SD Posted June 9, 2019 Posted June 9, 2019 Or go here and dream a little... https://www.falcon-nw.com/index.php/mobile Cooler Master HAF XB EVO , ASUS P8Z77-V, i7-3770K @ 4.6GHz, Noctua AC, 32GB Corsair Vengeance Pro, EVGA 1080TI 11GB, 2 Samsung 840 Pro 540GB SSDs Raid 0, 1TB HDD, EVGA SuperNOVA 1300W PS, G930 Wireless SS Headset, TrackIR5/Wireless Proclip, TM Warthog, Saitek Pro Combat Pedals, 75" Samsung 4K QLED, HP Reverb G2, Win 10
hansangb Posted June 9, 2019 Posted June 9, 2019 Or go here and dream a little... https://www.falcon-nw.com/index.php/mobile Dream a little is right! hsb HW Spec in Spoiler --- i7-10700K Direct-To-Die/OC'ed to 5.1GHz, MSI Z490 MB, 32GB DDR4 3200MHz, EVGA 2080 Ti FTW3, NVMe+SSD, Win 10 x64 Pro, MFG, Warthog, TM MFDs, Komodo Huey set, Rverbe G1
shafs64 Posted June 13, 2019 Posted June 13, 2019 If you looking to go VR there are a few good ones around. I just moved up to the rift S form the old rift. And it was worth it.
Mr_Burns Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 Just to let you know @boondoggle I just put a RTX 2060 in mine and at 1080 with the 2700k overclocked to 4.3ghz it wont drop below 80 fps settings high. That is an easy >50fps increase on a pretty old chip and old memory. RTX 2060 was about $500 AUD.
BitMaster Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 @Boondoggle, I tend to use https://pcpartpicker.com/ whenever I am speccing a new build. While I've been an Intel guy for some time, I'm seriously considering Ryzen for my next build. My son built a Ryzen 7 system a few months ago and it is smoking fast. I don't number crunch but it has smoked everything we've thrown at it. I also agree SSDs are the way to go. I installed a 500GB SSD, dedicated to DCS and IL2, on my system and there was a noticeable decrease in load times. My future build will be SSDs for OS and sims and a hybrid for storage. Good luck, I would rather get a straight HDD and an Optane M2 module over a pre-made SSHD. The ones I had failed pretty quick, btw, Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Sapphire Nitro+ 7800XT - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus XG27ACG QHD 180Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X
Waxer Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 (edited) I would rather get a straight HDD and an Optane M2 module over a pre-made SSHD. The ones I had failed pretty quick, btw, In moving from 1 SSD to 1 HDD + 1 Optane You've just replaced one potential point of failure with two potential points of failure. Given that you'd better hope that the reliability for your HDD and the Optane are significantly better than the SSD. And the data on failure rates does not back your personal point of view / personal experience*. * Caveat, SSDs run poorly if operated at >90% capacity utilisation. In which case you ARE asking from trouble. Edited June 19, 2019 by Milou [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
BitMaster Posted June 19, 2019 Posted June 19, 2019 In moving from 1 SSD to 1 HDD + 1 Optane You've just replaced one potential point of failure with two potential points of failure. Given that you'd better hope that the reliability for your HDD and the Optane are significantly better than the SSD. And the data on failure rates does not back your personal point of view / personal experience*. * Caveat, SSDs run poorly if operated at >90% capacity utilisation. In which case you ARE asking from trouble. Absolutely true, from the point of failure points. Any Hybrid drive is made out of more parts than an ordinary SSD or HDD, no doubt. Personally, I would not do either. All my OS's and Apps and VM's are on multiple SSDs and HDD for Backups. I wouldnt even consider it in a Mac. Gigabyte Aorus X570S Master - Ryzen 5900X - Gskill 64GB 3200/CL14@3600/CL14 - Sapphire Nitro+ 7800XT - 4x Samsung 980Pro 1TB - 1x Samsung 870 Evo 1TB - 1x SanDisc 120GB SSD - Heatkiller IV - MoRa3-360LT@9x120mm Noctua F12 - Corsair AXi-1200 - TiR5-Pro - Warthog Hotas - Saitek Combat Pedals - Asus XG27ACG QHD 180Hz - Corsair K70 RGB Pro - Win11 Pro/Linux - Phanteks Evolv-X
Demon_ Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 (edited) The Corsair is warranty 5 years, how old is the Corsair? (You know what I mean?) https://www.corsair.com/ca/en/Categories/Products/Power-Supply-Units/Enthusiast-Series%E2%84%A2-TX650-V2-%E2%80%94-80-PLUS%C2%AE-Bronze-Certified-650-Watt-High-Performance-Power-Supply/p/CMPSU-650TXV2 Edited June 22, 2019 by Demon_ Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche.
Waxer Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 The Corsair is warranty 5 years, how old is the Corsair? (You know what I mean?) https://www.corsair.com/ca/en/Categories/Products/Power-Supply-Units/Enthusiast-Series%E2%84%A2-TX650-V2-%E2%80%94-80-PLUS%C2%AE-Bronze-Certified-650-Watt-High-Performance-Power-Supply/p/CMPSU-650TXV2 Hi Sorry, not 100% sure what you mean. If you are asking about Corsair PSU warranty I think that depends on which PSU. Low end PSUs have warranty of 3 years. Then mid end PSUs have warranties of 5 years, 7 year and the top of the range have 10 years warranty. My RM1000i had a 10 year warranty and I got a replacement PSU from Corsair for the one that failed. By that time that had arrived (despite Advanced RMA) I'd already bought a replacement, so I just sold the new / replacement on eBay. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Demon_ Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 Oups! My mistake. Hi Milou, i was referring to Boondoggle with his Corsair TX. Attache ta tuque avec d'la broche.
Katj Posted June 22, 2019 Posted June 22, 2019 Just to let you know @boondoggle I just put a RTX 2060 in mine and at 1080 with the 2700k overclocked to 4.3ghz it wont drop below 80 fps settings high. That is an easy >50fps increase on a pretty old chip and old memory. RTX 2060 was about $500 AUD.That's because single thread performance has improved little in recent years. I bought a second hand 6 GB 1060 for my old computer with a 4670k. Also got 16 GB extra RAM for a total of 24 GB. I am very happy with the improvement for about 240 EUR spent. GPU is still the bottleneck. Will likely upgrade that one more time before I get new everything. Perhaps I will find VR mature at that point. So my suggestion is buy 8-16 GB RAM, an SSD and spend the rest of your budget on a graphics card. 1070 or better is probably the way to go if your budget allows, mine didn't. In fact, when I realized what a graphics card cost these days I bought the used card I mentioned before and got a few cards worth of Nvidia stock for good measure.
Boondoggle Posted August 29, 2019 Author Posted August 29, 2019 So I've spent a bit of time trying to balance cost vs. power and came up with the folowing. PCPartPicker Part List: https://uk.pcpartpicker.com/list/9ZzxLJ CPU: AMD Ryzen 7 2700X 3.7 GHz 8-Core Processor CPU Cooler: Scythe Mugen 5 Rev. B 51.17 CFM CPU Cooler Motherboard: MSI B450 GAMING PRO CARBON AC ATX AM4 Motherboard Memory: Team Vulcan 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3000 Memory) Storage: Samsung 860 Evo 500 GB 2.5" Solid State Drive Video Card: MSI GeForce RTX 2060 6 GB GAMING Z Video Card Case: Corsair 200R ATX Mid Tower Case Total: £1080.09 What our members thoughts about the above? Would this be a good build? Kind Regards [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
Waxer Posted August 30, 2019 Posted August 30, 2019 There is one thing - in particular - that you should check before committing. The Team Vulcan RAM that you found there is a very good price for 2x16GB of 3000 MHz CL 16 DDR4 memory. However both builds on_PCPartPicker_using that RAM were Intel systems. So far I have only build Intel systems (although if starting afresh today I would probably choose AMD) so what I am saying is that I have no direct experience of what I am about to say, but you should be aware / check it out: From what I have read, Zen was particularly fussy about what OEM RAM modules where used on RAM DIMMs. (I am talking about the underlying lithography... Samsung, Hynix etc, not the retail brand... Corsair, Team Group etc). Some worked. Some didn't. This brought a whole new degree of complexity to selecting fast RAM to go into your system. What you need to do is check the support _section_of_MSI's_website_to_see_if_that_RAM_module_is_on_the_qualified_vendor_SKU_list._I_suspect_not.__In_case_you_are_wondering_my_Apple_keyboard_spacebar_has_just_given_up!!!__I_will_have_to_continue_on_another_computer.__Damn_Apple_and_their_stupid_keyboard_design. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
ebabil Posted August 30, 2019 Posted August 30, 2019 recently i have replaced my cpu from 2600k 4.2 to 9400f and i saw no improvement at all. i suggest upgrade your gpu with a new card as best as you can buy. and add 8 gigs of ram for sure FC3 | UH-1 | Mi-8 | A-10C II | F/A-18 | Ka-50 III | F-14 | F-16 | AH-64 | Mi-24 | F-5 | F-15E| F-4| Tornado Persian Gulf | Nevada | Syria | NS-430 | Supercarrier // Wishlist: CH-53 | UH-60 Youtube MS FFB2 - TM Warthog - CH Pro Pedals - Trackir 5
Boondoggle Posted August 30, 2019 Author Posted August 30, 2019 There is one thing - in particular - that you should check before committing. The Team Vulcan RAM that you found there is a very good price for 2x16GB of 3000 MHz CL 16 DDR4 memory. However both builds on_PCPartPicker_using that RAM were Intel systems. So far I have only build Intel systems (although if starting afresh today I would probably choose AMD) so what I am saying is that I have no direct experience of what I am about to say, but you should be aware / check it out: From what I have read, Zen was particularly fussy about what OEM RAM modules where used on RAM DIMMs. (I am talking about the underlying lithography... Samsung, Hynix etc, not the retail brand... Corsair, Team Group etc). Some worked. Some didn't. This brought a whole new degree of complexity to selecting fast RAM to go into your system. What you need to do is check the support _section_of_MSI's_website_to_see_if_that_RAM_module_is_on_the_qualified_vendor_SKU_list._I_suspect_not.__In_case_you_are_wondering_my_Apple_keyboard_spacebar_has_just_given_up!!!__I_will_have_to_continue_on_another_computer.__Damn_Apple_and_their_stupid_keyboard_design. So your saying I should go with a more established brand of RAM? What do you think of the build? Will this enable me to play games of today? Kind Regards [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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