Wish List

[GGTharos]

I'd like the Golden Eagle upgrade then, so I can keep my superiority ;)

 

I agree Su27 and MiG29S simulated in FC2 don't have multi-target capability. What I'm really asking or wishing rather is for ED to provide them as the real aircrafts have them even if they are in limited quantity.

[Drona]

I'd like the Golden Eagle upgrade then, so I can keep my superiority ;)

 

I don't mind... in fact bring it on (I believe you are talking about the AESA radar fitted to F-15, if my memory serves me right).

 

The real reason I wish for the upgrade to the MiG/Su is for a level playing field (I know war is never a level playing field, but then again we are not in an actual war). The F-15 jocks get kills very easily with TWS+AIM120 and get very good kill/death ratios. What really differentiates great F-15 pilots vs. normal ones are those who kill with AIM-7Ms knowing very well they have the choice of AIM-120 but still sticks to the AIM-7M and gets kills. I know only a handful out there who could do that. Semi-actives sort of bring out the best in pilots. Sometimes, I just wish active missiles were never in existence.

 

BTW GG, is there any hope for the MiG-31 becoming player flyable in FC3?:joystick: :huh:

[GGTharos]

I don't mind... in fact bring it on (I believe you are talking about the AESA radar fitted to F-15, if my memory serves me right).

 

There's a lot more to it than the AESA radar. Processor upgrades, missile warning systems, IRST, two-way data-links for missiles, upgraded data-link capabilities, new cockpit, JHMCS, etc. It would out-radar, out-range, out-shoot, out-run, out-irst, out-datalink and out-HMS you. I guarantee you'd end up complaining ;)

 

The real reason I wish for the upgrade to the MiG/Su is for a level playing field (I know war is never a level playing field, but then again we are not in an actual war).

If you want a level playing field, put the same plane on both sides and nothing else. A 'level playing field' is for competitions. Want air combat? Try to use your aircraft to its strengths, and deal with its weaknesses.

 

The F-15 jocks get kills very easily with TWS+AIM120 and get very good kill/death ratios.

That's probably your fault, not theirs. I can dodge TWS+AIM-120 all day long. It's harder than dealing with a SARH missile most of the time, but the tactics are all mostly the same. You need tactics to deal with the F-15, not actives (or dumbing them down to actives instead).

 

What really differentiates great F-15 pilots vs. normal ones are those who kill with AIM-7Ms knowing very well they have the choice of AIM-120 but still sticks to the AIM-7M and gets kills. I know only a handful out there who could do that. Semi-actives sort of bring out the best in pilots. Sometimes, I just wish active missiles were never in existence.

Sorry, I call BS on this. Having SARH alone makes things a bit harder, but doesn't necessarily teach you anything more useful or make you a better pilot. I can give you a really hard time with either type, but I'll always choose the 120's because - guess what? - That's what the real F-15C is all about.

 

One you drop the lonewolf mentality and start dealing with team flying (not to mention tactics to counter an F-15C + TWS), you'll find dealing with F-15's a little easier.

 

BTW GG, is there any hope for the MiG-31 becoming player flyable in FC3?:joystick: :huh:

I doubt that. Anyway, I don't see why you'd want it ... you'd just be easy pickings for air superiority fighters who used a bit of team-play. Edited November 17, 2011 by GGTharos

[RIPTIDE]

I'd like the Golden Eagle upgrade then, so I can keep my superiority ;)

Since when did you have wings? lol

[GGTharos]

Since before you ever showed up on scene :D

 

Since when did you have wings? lol

[RIPTIDE]

Since before you ever showed up on scene :D

I saw some rave about superiority and just for a second second there I thought you were actually talking about the F-15C... but then I realised... was talking about you.

 

Anyway, we need new stuff added to the F-15C. 120D please, with duplex datalink. That way we can do away with the easymode options in the GUI menu and just add a line in the manual 'for "Easymode" select F-15C'.

 

:P

[GGTharos]

No comment. :)

[RIPTIDE]

Anyway, OT. Wish List. 120D's. Also to implement IF IRL APPLIES, mid course updates to ER's based on EOS only lock if the WCS allows it on Su-27.

[borchi_2b]

well then, if the f15 guys get new toys, like the delta or new features about the datalink. i recommend, that the mig 9-13 and the su27b get the proper radar and the proper functions, plus a datalink to thier missiles, cause thats what they have IRL, as far what a NATO pilot told me, what they would face when seeing a su27 on scope. further, i want the manual selection of radarmodes in combination with the eos, cause the automatical switch from radar to eos, thats bullshit. which caused so many good kills, that eventually did not happen, laughing out loud, do to the autoswitch. in the real su27 or mig29 you have modes which regulate this interaction between radar and eos. nothing will happen unless it is wanted. and for that, i think we need a real radarcrosssection right. do not know if something like that is finally implemented to fc2 in a near real way, cause when you want to hit a bandit, belly up in your face and he turns, eos switches active do to signal loos, which ist the biggest crap i have ever seen in a sim.

when anbody yof you smart guys tells men now that this is real life, then ok, here is the question.

 

imagine a b2 bomber ok. flying through the country just level

at far distance to the radarstation nothing is seen. but now the radar can be move in its angle up 90°

so it tracks the ultrastealth bomber, or tries to.

what happens when the bomber flies over the station, and in assumption, it is a freindly station, what will they see?, although for a short moment.

 

tada, it is like christmas in the radarcontrolstation and they will tell the officers in the mainroom with happyness like little children at christmas, that they just locked up an b2, and maybe even shed some tears of happynes, cause nobody of that crew ever thought of never ever locking a b2 in thier entire life. but they did, but how could they?

 

just need to write that, in some way it is so funny, it should be put into wikipedia for children, they would under stand that no plane can be stealthy and the biggest radarreflection is caused when you see the whole wingarea.

 

in addition, the israelies had thier biggest successes with thier f15 when they had the bandit turn and show thier belly, cause the aim7 rejected the chaffs of the enemie, cause the crosssection was a too sweet signal for them :-)

Edited November 17, 2011 by borchi_2b

[GGTharos]

Anyway, OT. Wish List. 120D's.

 

Not going to happen, 120D's are not in use yet, IIRC :) F-15C's are still using up the C5 stock.

 

 

Also to implement IF IRL APPLIES, mid course updates to ER's based on EOS only lock if the WCS allows it on Su-27.

 

IIRC, not on any variant. The radar has to generate the MCU (it is carried on the sidelobes) and the IRST doesn't provide range measurement for BVR engagements - by the time you get range out of the laser, you may as well just flip the radar on and launch, the missile will be in PN off the rail. Just an educated guess though.

[GGTharos]

when anbody yof you smart guys tells men now that this is real life, then ok, here is the question.

 

Your RCS could be the size of the earth, and the radar would still drop you. In fact, it does ;) The doppler notch is real.

 

what happens when the bomber flies over the staion, and in assumtion, it is a freindly station, what will they see?, although for a short moment.

 

Yeah, but the bomber isn't notching the radar station.

 

just need to write that, in some way it is so funny, it should be put into wikipedia for children, they would under stand that no plane can be stealthy and the biggest radarreflection is caused when you see the whole wingarea.

 

I think you need to understand the notch a little better.

 

in addition, the isrealies had thier biggest successes with thier f15 when they had the bandit turn and show thier belly, cause the aim7 rejected the chaffs of the enemie, cause the crosssection was a too sweet signal for them :-)

 

No, that was because the pilot wouldn't see the missile being launched.

[near_blind]

Any chance we could ever see a fully amphibious AAV-7 and or BTR-80? Other than just get FC3 out as soon as it can be done right and i'm content.

 

 

 

also, i'd kill for a lite F-16/F-18 cockpit that could do A/A, A/G, but i won't hold my breath too long.

[borchi_2b]

dopplernotch ok, jup thats there, but after some distance ok, when i am in close enough, the doppler effect is limited too, when you close in the effect neglects too, it decreases. na, and well i did not talk about the range right, but it is unrealisitc that at 10miles the missile will not see the bandit do to some dopplereffect, that is , lol, nothing compared to the energie the radars pump out at that range. if you want, i can get you a reprot maybe froma colleague who studied that aerospace engenering.

even he says, at a certain distance, the dopplereffect is not noticeable. at 100km or 60 miles, this becomes true, the doppler effect might have an effect, but ok, the dopplereffect works best, when you ahve what? wings level not belly up. belly up still gives you the best radarcrosssection. you would not believe how big that is, although you have you r dopplereffect. but nobody shots at 60nm :-) or do you ?

 

when i take your words for 100% real ok, then the bomber must be notching too, why, cause he does the same like the opponent does, belly up. notch only works best when wings level not belly up and normaly you have to be below the oponent radar, so even have some groundclutter included, so that there is even more that reflects and distracts, cause you can never for sure say, that your notch will work.

 

to your last sentence, ehh , sorry, did you ask the pilots in hell or where does that knowledge come from?

the IAF figured that most of the success happend to be reasoned because of the increase of radarsection. noting else!!!

it is funny that you disclaim the knowledge of maybe the best airforce in the world, that is really funny. they are even better then the americans, cause they combine good flying with good tech, not only good tech with average pilots.

 

i still have to laugh, sorry " cause they did not see the missile", that is so funny. so why did they turn then, just they though, ohh see there is a warning tone in my rwr, i just stay straight ahead. lol, that is sooo funny. dude, seriously, read that art of your post again. it is early in the morning here, maybe, where ever you are it is late or early, what so ever the reason might be for that sentence, but it is really making my day :-)

have to show that a friend of mine who is flying for the GAF, i think he jumps his ejection seat cause he probably thinks i am making fun of him as a pilot

 

cheers man, keep suc stuff coming, it is entertaining, but never mind. i am seriously not insulting you, just thought you might want to laugh too, cause it is funny, sorry

 

i hope i do not get baned for this here, cause i do not want to attack anybody

[falcon_120]

If they do the hornet,I want it in a dcs level,sorry don't count me in with this one ;)

[GGTharos]

dopplernotch ok, jup thats there, but after some distance ok, when i am in close enough, the doppler effect is limited too, when you close in the effect neglects too, it decreases. na, and well i did not talk about the range right, but it is unrealisitc that at 10miles the missile will not see the bandit do to some dopplereffect, that is , lol, nothing compared to the energie the radars pump out at that range. if you want, i can get you a reprot maybe froma colleague who studied that aerospace engenering.

 

BZZZZT - wrong. For this to happen, the target would have to be so close that it takes up a huge chunk of the beam. That isn't going to happen farther out than 2-3km. And even then it's easily debeatable. The amount of energy that the radar pumps out is irrelevant. The ground's RCS is almost always bigger.

 

even he says, at a certain distance, the dopplereffect is not noticeable. at 100km or 60 miles, this becomes true, the doppler effect might have an effect, but ok, the dopplereffect works best, when you ahve what? wings level not belly up. belly up still gives you the best radarcrosssection. you would not believe how big that is, although you have you r dopplereffect. but nobody shots at 60nm :-) or do you ?

 

Guess how big the RCS of the earth covered by the beam is? DO you think it's smaller than the rcs of your plane at /any/ aspect?

 

when i take your words for 100% real ok, then the bomber must be notching too, why, cause he does the same like the opponent does, belly up. notch only works best when wings level not belly up and normaly you have to be below the oponent radar, so even have some groundclutter included, so that there is even more that reflects and distracts, cause you can never for sure say, that your notch will work.

 

At this point I'm wondering if you even have an idea of what you're talking about.

 

to your last sentence, ehh , sorry, did you ask the pilots in hell or where does that knowledge come from?

 

Pilot testimonies and the explanation of what they do and why are out there - and everything is always situational :)

 

the IAF figured that most of the success happend to be reasoned because of the increase of radarsection. noting else!!!

 

BS. There are plenty of head-on and tail-on sparrow kills.

 

it is funny that you disclaim the knowledge of maybe the best airforce in the world, that is really funny. they are even better then the americans, cause they combine good flying with good tech, not only good tech with average pilots.

 

Now you're really starting to lose the plot :)

 

i still have to laugh, sorry " cause they did not see the missile", that is so funny. so why did they turn then, just they though, ohh see there is a warning tone in my rwr, i just stay straight ahead. lol, that is sooo funny. dude, seriously, read that art of your post again. it is early in the morning here, maybe, where ever you are it is late or early, what so ever the reason might be for that sentence, but it is really making my day :-)

have to show that a friend of mine who is flying for the GAF, i think he jumps his ejection seat cause he probably thinks i am making fun of him as a pilot

 

cheers man, keep suc stuff coming, it is entertaining, but never mind. i am seriously not insulting you, just thought you might want to laugh too, cause it is funny, sorry

 

i hope i do not get baned for this here, cause i do not want to attack anybody

 

You're funny ... and the funniest part is that you do not know that you do not know.

[falcon_120]

if you want, i can get you a reprot maybe froma colleague who studied that aerospace engenering.

 

Sorry,didn't know that aerospace engenering were expert in military radars ;).

I think you're missing the point, You don't lose lock because you don't see the targert,in fact you clearly see it,you reject the lock because some fellow engineers of your friend that designed the radar said to the Digital signal processor: ok ,everything that doesn't have a relative movement with regard to my plane don't

show it as a target because may be a mountain or something like that.

So in fact you may see clearly the target but the algorithm of correlations your radar is using to separate targets from clutter is rejecting it.

Altough modern radars are really precise up to 1 miliradian and you should do a really precise beam to get a chance of breaking the lock :)

[GhostDog]

:argue:

 

Zoomies :rolleyes:

[EtherealN]

I think it's time to eliminate A-10A from Flaming Cliffs series (because of DCS: A-10C Warthog), and replace it with F/A-18C.

 

What of the people who do not want to get DCS A-10C, but do like flying the FC A-10 a little now and then? ;)

[jmod]

Come on guys!

 

Who would like to play FC A-10A when there is something like DCS: A-10C Warthog? :huh:

 

PS: hey EtherealN, you just closed my thread before I had the aportunity to defend myself! :(

I didn't say using Outerra, I said having features like Outerra!

[MoGas]

No its not time to kill the A-10A, what about the 80`s scenarios in FC, hosted by the 51st for example......

 

:doh:

[VincentLaw]

To the contrary, I think this is a perfect opportunity for ED to update the flight model and 3d model of the A-10A in flaming cliffs with minimal cost, since it is basically the same as the A-10C other than avionics. That would be a pretty big bargain for FC3 customers.

 

PS: There is a pm feature for private questions to mods.

[ZQuickSilverZ]

I think it's time to eliminate A-10A from Flaming Cliffs series (because of DCS: A-10C Warthog), and replace it with F/A-18C.

 

F/A-18C is a multirole aircraft and has the capability of taking off and landing on a carrier.

 

This could add lots of things (carrier operations for instance) to EDGE, and prepare ED for DCS: F/A-18E Super Hornet (like A-10A and DCS: A-10C Warthog)!

 

 

Jmod. I have to say I totally disagree with you about eliminating the A-10A. The main (and only) reason for this is simple. It has been debated that having FC mixed with DCS titles is a bad idea because the FC pilots have an advantage due to less complicated gameplay. The debate has also been made that the DCS pilots have the advantage because thier birds are more capable. I believe this is a perfect opportunity to test out this debate (at least for ground pounders, this proves nothing for A2A). Anyone else agree?

Edited November 17, 2011 by ZQuickSilverZ

[Moa]

I jumped in the A-10A the other day and it was a simple joy. Even with the A-10C's flight model this will still be nice.

[Stratos]

Hope they keep the A10a. I'm not a Warthog fan, but flying the A model now and then is great fun.

[borchi_2b]

@GG: i do not need you, to tell me whats wrong or right, cause most of the times, i just hear, that you know everything, for everything you have a comment, it is not important on what it is, but so far you should set your signature to something like, " i have invented physics and also i have invented everything that is based on military aviation, and i have all classifications that are needed to even look into the newest projects of the chinease airforce" just cut that, that you think you are allways right. i have proven you many month ago that you are not right, when i came up, short after the release of fc2, with a offer to show the list of all missile behaviors in fc1.12b and in comparison with the once in fc2.0, when we argued about the r27et, and that in the sim engine it deccelerates with a gforce greater then 10g´s and so on and that no missile in this world would be designed to drop a shoot out the back, which is helarious, and after some time you had to admit, that the missile envelope of the r27 family is not correct, but i hope that in DCS there will be realistic data, from avionics over to flightmodel and so on, bla bla, so üpeople will see that still today, the russian weapons are way bejond effective, they are deadly, but let us not take this road again, ok.

 

just stay with your knowledge where you are, but do not fool people ok?

 

modern radars, which are used at the date 2000, they can for sure compute the dopplereffect.

and if you put fc3 into the dcs world, maybe you might make the step forward and get at least the radars work how they should be, at least in the russian planes.

 

and well, i am not going bejond some point here.

you allways come up with the earth at some respect, thats crap dude, narrow the beam down to an azimuth of 60°

then scan up not to the ground, the main waves go nowhere else then clear to the sky, ok you will have maybe some athmospheric interferances, but well will this make a plane disappear?. and the few reflections you get from the ground, hmm, when i scan at 10nm from an alt of 20000 and want to scan between 0 and 1000 feet, then well then the ground will clutter everything, nearly, everthing, although your radar will not reach the 0 from that alt at a scanrange of 10nm as far i recall the f16 block 52 radar, cause we got that radar in our GAF too :-), do you think we have nothing there, just stones i know.

 

for the other smart guy, well do you even have a clue how big the aerospace industrie is?

lol, sure they work on radars, who else needs them with so much urge besides planes ? submarines ?

 

and GG next time you come pass an IAF ace, a real ace, not just a simulated one in a community, who fought with the damn sukkers (aim7) just ask him and maybe he will explain it to you so that even you understand why this all worked out, the way it did.

 

just a hint, these pilots killed them in a turn, not in the notch bro :-)

do you maybe understand now where i want to point your nose at?

plus even the notch will be worth nothing at some ranges, which most of them are classified or not, who knows ?, GG tharos knows!

 

fly the russian planes in this sim, and you will see what i mean. notching is ture so far, but radars will have even then a good reflektion, so that they can filter target, way bejond 2 - 3 km, unless you use good old granpas nightradar of the black widow, then, well then you might see him on radar when he has passed you, cause the computing takes that long till the radarscope shows something.

 

cheers, i drink one for you too, ok

 

i am out, and will watch GG tell everyone what the world from his standpoint out there looks like and has to be like :-) thumps up man, go ahead

Edited November 17, 2011 by borchi_2b