TGP and Mav F

[Sierra99]

Yeah, this is clearly WIP right now (which is probably why Wags hasnt done a video yet.)

 

He hasn't?

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3994407&postcount=170

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3994407&postcount=171

[Tj1376]

He hasn't?

 

 

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3994407&postcount=170

 

 

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=3994407&postcount=171

 

 

I think you are getting your versions of Mavericks confused. Wags has done a demo of the laser maverick. But the F uses an IR seeker. There has been no video on this use, probably because while the first one works perfectly, 2,3 and 4 do not.

 

TJ

 

 

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[NineLine]

Eventually, you will be able to slave to a target point set by the TGP, but you will still most likely have to lock the Mav F like previous. The TGP cant control the seeker on the Mav at all. In the current release, it seems to be working somewhat, but chances are if you launch using the target point from the TGP without any corrections it will miss. But your experiences may vary.

[kaoqumba]

Eventually, you will be able to slave to a target point set by the TGP, but you will still most likely have to lock the Mav F like previous. The TGP cant control the seeker on the Mav at all. In the current release, it seems to be working somewhat, but chances are if you launch using the target point from the TGP without any corrections it will miss. But your experiences may vary.

 

Will it be modified in future updates? If AGM65F can't actively move the field of vision to the target locked by the pod, how can we quickly lock and launch?

[NineLine]

Not that I know of, the above way is how the MavF will need to be handled.

[Drac]

Here is a good video for the Mav F using the T-Pod...start at 16:36.

 

[leonsilver]

I think you are getting your versions of Mavericks confused. Wags has done a demo of the laser maverick. But the F uses an IR seeker. There has been no video on this use, probably because while the first one works perfectly, 2,3 and 4 do not.

 

TJ

 

 

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+1

[atazar]

Here is a good video for the Mav F using the T-Pod...start at 16:36.

 

 

 

The advantage of the MAV F is that it destroys moving targets, but the TGP sets static targets.

 

I'm wrong?

[DeathAngel1]

The advantage of the MAV F is that it destroys moving targets, but the TGP sets static targets.

 

I'm wrong?

 

Yes, you are wrong :) MavE can also track and destroy moving targets, you just need to hold the trigger. Even LGBs can track and destroy moving targets, but seems like they are buget now.

[atazar]

Yes, you are wrong :) MavE can also track and destroy moving targets, you just need to hold the trigger. Even LGBs can track and destroy moving targets, but seems like they are buget now.

 

 

Perhaps I have expressed myself poorly because of my low level of English.

 

What I mean is that using the MAV F with the TGP, what we designate is a coordinate, not an objective.

 

It is here that I want to know if I am wrong.

Edited August 4, 2019 by atazar

[Tj1376]

TGP and Mav F

 

Perhaps I have expressed myself poorly because of my low level of English.

 

What I mean is that using the MAV F with the TGP, what we designate is a coordinate, not an objective.

 

It is here that I want to know if I am wrong.

 

 

 

The TPod has a POINT mode which will track a moving target. I am not certain if this is like the Harrier where the target coordinates are not updated.

 

The MavF when locked onto a target will also track and kill a moving target even if the tpod will not update target coordinates as the target moves.

 

Hope this helps.

 

TJ

 

 

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[atazar]

The TPod has a POINT mode which will track a moving target. I am not certain if this is like the Harrier where the target coordinates are not updated.

 

The MavF when locked onto a target will also track and kill a moving target even if the tpod will not update target coordinates as the target moves.

 

Hope this helps.

 

TJ

 

 

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I am referring to what the DCS Hornet can do today, not what it is capable of doing in the future.

 

 

If the hornet really has this capability at this time, explain in some way how to knock down moving targets with the MAV F using the (TGP) Thank you.

Edited August 4, 2019 by atazar

[atazar]

Yes, you are wrong :) MavE can also track and destroy moving targets, you just need to hold the trigger. Even LGBs can track and destroy moving targets, but seems like they are buget now.

 

 

The procedures of the MAV E cannot be applied to the MAV F because the MAV F is a weapon (IR) is not a laser weapon.

 

 

Pressing the trigger would not guide a missile (IR) to a moving target.

[feefifofum]

I understand what you're asking, I think.

 

You are correct..the TGP will generate a target point on the HSI, which will remain static.

 

While you can place the TGP into point track on a moving target and the TGP will follow the movement, those generated target points will be static and therefore trying to slave the IR maverick to them will result in the seeker remaining stationary behind the moving target.

 

At this time, there is no way to link the point track function of the TGP to the mav seeker like we can in the A-10C, that will come in the future.

 

Both the TGP and Maverick will track moving targets individually, however, so you can use the TGP to get your maverick seeker close to the target, then undesignate and manually slew the maverick seeker from there. Once the maverick seeker locks a moving target, it will continue to track it.

Edited August 4, 2019 by feefifofum

[atazar]

I understand what you're asking, I think.

 

You are correct..the TGP will generate a target point on the HSI, which will remain static.

 

While you can place the TGP into point track on a moving target and the TGP will follow the movement, those generated target points will be static and therefore trying to slave the IR maverick to them will result in the seeker remaining stationary behind the moving target.

 

At this time, there is no way to link the point track function of the TGP to the mav seeker like we can in the A-10C, that will come in the future.

 

Both the TGP and Maverick will track moving targets individually, however, so you can use the TGP to get your maverick seeker close to the target, then undesignate and manually slew the maverick seeker from there. Once the seeker locks a moving target, it will continue to track it.

 

 

Thank you feefifofum! Finally someone understood me :)

Edited August 4, 2019 by atazar

[atazar]

F-18C Hornet. Loadout: X2 GBU-38, TGP pod and X2 AGM-65F's and be unable to slew the mavricks (SOI) with the power off on the TGP, after GBU's released.

My advice with this loadout is to use the Mavricks first.

 

:pilotfly:

 

 

 

 

It is the same conclusion that I have drawn. I agree.

 

 

+10 :thumbup:

[Tj1376]

I am referring to what the DCS Hornet can do today, not what it is capable of doing in the future.

 

 

If the hornet really has this capability at this time, explain in some way how to knock down moving targets with the MAV F using the (TGP) Thank you.

 

 

This is what the hornet in DCS can do today. And if I understand, it’s how it works in real life (as close as we know without knowing secrets.)

 

The tpod doesn’t control the F seeker- it’s not like the a10c. All the tpod does is set a target point that the F seeker can slave to. From there you’ve got to sensor select to Maverick then manually move the seeker head and achieve lock on. Once the F has locked on, it will track your moving target.

 

It’s not anywhere near as elegant as the a10c, but with practice it works. And as I understand it may change slightly as SMEs weigh in on how it’s built in the sim today.

 

TJ

 

 

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[atazar]

This is what the hornet in DCS can do today. And if I understand, it’s how it works in real life (as close as we know without knowing secrets.)

 

The tpod doesn’t control the F seeker- it’s not like the a10c. All the tpod does is set a target point that the F seeker can slave to. From there you’ve got to sensor select to Maverick then manually move the seeker head and achieve lock on. Once the F has locked on, it will track your moving target.

 

It’s not anywhere near as elegant as the a10c, but with practice it works. And as I understand it may change slightly as SMEs weigh in on how it’s built in the sim today.

 

TJ

 

 

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Correct, I understand the procedure. But for some reason, after using the TGP in an attack with mixed weapons, the heads of the MAV F are blocked and it is not possible to use them in a conventional way, through its integrated camera. That is why the partner says that in a mixed-load attack, it is advisable to use the MAV F first. Excuse me if I express myself badly.

 

 

Another thing that I have observed is that after using the TGP in A / G, the AIM-9X sensor is not displayed in the HUD.

Edited August 4, 2019 by atazar

[theinmigrant]

Correct, I understand the procedure. But for some reason, after using the TGP in an attack with mixed weapons, the heads of the MAV F are blocked and it is not possible to use them in a conventional way, through its integrated camera. That is why the partner says that in a mixed-load attack, it is advisable to use the MAV F first. Excuse me if I express myself badly.

 

 

Another thing that I have observed is that after using the TGP in A / G, the AIM-9X sensor is not displayed in the HUD.

 

There must be something you're doing wrong. I can even designate a TGT with the tpod and not only the MAV F will slave to it but also auto lock 100% of the times. I tested it extensively.

[atazar]

There must be something you're doing wrong. I can even designate a TGT with the tpod and not only the MAV F will slave to it but also auto lock 100% of the times. I tested it extensively.

 

 

You may be doing something wrong, but have you blocked static targets or moving targets? If so, could you show the procedure in some way, or maybe share the clue? And can you see the AIM9X sensor in the HUD, after using the TGP? Thank you.

[Tj1376]

You may be doing something wrong, but have you blocked static targets or moving targets? If so, could you show the procedure in some way, or maybe share the clue? And can you see the AIM9X sensor in the HUD, after using the TGP? Thank you.

 

Question, because I Just ran into this after playing around a bit... Are you designating a waypoint as a target and forgetting to undesignate it before releasing? Ive noticed this seems to play havoc with where my weapons hit...

 

But it does look like the Aim9x missing its seeker head after employment is an issue.

 

TJ

[atazar]

Question, because I Just ran into this after playing around a bit... Are you designating a waypoint as a target and forgetting to undesignate it before releasing? Ive noticed this seems to play havoc with where my weapons hit...

 

But it does look like the Aim9x missing its seeker head after employment is an issue.

 

TJ

 

 

:thumbup:

 

 

 

All individual procedures are perfect, they work without problems, the problem comes with mixed loads, when we are going to make several attacks against fixed targets and mobile targets. I am glad to know that I am not the only one to whom the AIM9X sensor has disappeared from the HUD. All my support to Eagle Dynamics in its development, for my part, patience. I understand that we are in BETA.

Edited August 5, 2019 by atazar

[Tj1376]

:thumbup:

 

 

 

All individual procedures are perfect, they work without problems, the problem comes with mixed loads, when we are going to make several attacks against fixed targets and mobile targets. I am glad to know that I am not the only one to whom the AIM9X sensor has disappeared from the HUD. All my support to Eagle Dynamics in its development, for my part, patience. I understand that we are in BETA.

 

 

 

I tried multiple times this afternoon to reproduce this and couldn’t. I used 2 Fs, 2 38s and 2 12s. Positive you don’t have any mods? What loadout were you using?

 

TJ

 

 

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[atazar]

I tried multiple times this afternoon to reproduce this and couldn’t. I used 2 Fs, 2 38s and 2 12s. Positive you don’t have any mods? What loadout were you using?

 

TJ

 

 

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I am using AGM-154C in TOO TGP mode for priority targets such as static SAMs to not get too close and AGM-65F for moving targets, which is the escort of a convoy. The problem is that if I use AGM-154C first, then nothing works with AGM-65F.

 

 

 

Finally I have to apologize and thank you for the intention to help and patience. I have managed to shoot moving targets through the TGP with the MAV F. As soon as I finish processing the video, I will attach it.

It is completely possible to block mobile targets.

 

 

Edited August 5, 2019 by atazar

[atazar]

Yes, you are wrong :) MavE can also track and destroy moving targets, you just need to hold the trigger. Even LGBs can track and destroy moving targets, but seems like they are buget now.

 

 

I have to apologize and thank you for the patience and intention to help.