[NOT A BUG] Speed Brakes indicator

[nawarren]

Hi all. I noticed that the speed brake indicator only shows 6dots when in any position other than closed. I thought it displayed different symbols depending on what stage of extension. Just thought I'd mention it in case.

[NineLine]

I believe the diagonals should show in transition/operation (reported), but there is no indicator to show the actual position.

[nawarren]

Hi Nineline, sorry yes that's what a meant to say. There is no diagonal markings at all. Just the dots (9). Is this a bug then or not?

[NineLine]

if you look real close, the diagonal lines are there, I think they transition too fast, so yes I have reported that.

[nawarren]

Thanks Nineline. Loving the F16 it's awesome!!

[NineLine]

Thanks! Glad to hear you are enjoying it, and thanks for the reports, they do help and why we do Early Access!

[Bouli306]

Thanks! Glad to hear you are enjoying it, and thanks for the reports, they do help and why we do Early Access!

Speedbrake indicator shows "closed" when the speedbrakes ar closed less than 2 degrees. The indicator should show the dots whenever it is open more than 2 degrees.

 

 

When the indicator receives no power dashed lines are shown.

[NineLine]

Hey Bouli306, the manual I have also mentions you see the diagonal lines during switching as well. Is that your experience as well?

[Bouli306]

Hey Bouli306, the manual I have also mentions you see the diagonal lines during switching as well. Is that your experience as well?

 

 

Will check this week

[NineLine]

Thanks! It's hard to imagine it from the oh so descriptive words in the manual :)

[Tomcat84]

My information mentions that they appear during switching but only "momentarily".

 

 

Momentarily is not defined though and I'm having a hard time remembering. I think it's like a fraction of a second when actuating the switch but I'm unsure.

[Bouli306]

Thanks! It's hard to imagine it from the oh so descriptive words in the manual :)

 

Diagonals - Electrical power removed from the

indicator. Diagonals also appear momentarily

during switching.

 

Point is that nobody looks at this indicator. I personally never saw the diagonals during switching.

[Tomcat84]

Point is that nobody looks at this indicator.

 

 

That is definitely true.

 

 

If you are looking at this indicator during you're idle boards defensive BFM break turn then you're doing it wrong :lol:

[NineLine]

May be true, but we as virtual pilots might not get or feel the same feedback, so it would be nice to at least have it working as it should.

[VampireNZ]

There is the sound when they are open - so there is that feedback I guess. But for me it is combined with a rumble in the Jetseat so I notice it more. Hearing the sound when combined with AOA rumble (which sounds sweet btw) would be quite hard.

 

Even with the additional Jetseat feedback I still find myself jabbing at SB close now and then, especially during BFM just to make sure - like when you drive a manual and give the stick a wiggle all the time to confirm its in neutral :)

[NineLine]

There is the sound when they are open - so there is that feedback I guess. But for me it is combined with a rumble in the Jetseat so I notice it more. Hearing the sound when combined with AOA rumble (which sounds sweet btw) would be quite hard.

 

Even with the additional Jetseat feedback I still find myself jabbing at SB close now and then, especially during BFM just to make sure - like when you drive a manual and give the stick a wiggle all the time to confirm its in neutral :)

 

Yeah, that is the toughest part of sims, giving enough feedback to simulate the real thing, anyways, let's get it like the real thing, the indicator and go from there, thanks all for the help from everyone... makes my life a little easier :)

[Bouli306]

May be true, but we as virtual pilots might not get or feel the same feedback, so it would be nice to at least have it working as it should.

 

Absolutely true Nineline. But showing the diagonals momentarily (which does not say a whole lot) will not give you feedback. Sure they may show for a tenth of a second but will provide no feedback at all where the closed or dots show you what position the speedbrakes are in. Closed means closed but dots means anywhere between 2 degrees open and 60 degrees open... The only time a pilot will look at this indicator to make sure the speedbrakes are either open or closed.

[uri_ba]

My information mentions that they appear during switching but only "momentarily".

 

 

Momentarily is not defined though and I'm having a hard time remembering. I think it's like a fraction of a second when actuating the switch but I'm unsure.

 

It is literally a split second.

The indicator is a spring loaded "drum" with 3 lables on it.

Closed

"Barber pole"

9 dots.

 

The drum is magneticly held in one of two positions, up or down. Which will expose, closed or dots.

 

When no power is sent to the indicator, no electromagnet is working. So the spring then centers the drum on the barber pole.

 

So in order to move from open to closed inicatuon, the drum rotates, revealing the barber pole for that split second it takes to rotate the drum.

 

It's almost instantaneous, but I have no idea how fast it really does move. (Very very fast is best estimate I can give).

 

Couldn't find a reference video, so I'm putting I. Something similar in concept.

 

This is a magneticly held switch. Which has more mass then the SB indicator drum.

 

Just see how fast it jumps back to the spring loaded position. This is roughly how much time the barber pole will show up when drum is rotating.

 

Edited October 7, 2019 by uri_ba

[DirtySanchez]

The barber pole is displayed as long as the speed brake switch is out of OFF and the boards are moving. It is an "in transit" indicator.

[cofcorpse]

The barber pole is displayed as long as the speed brake switch is out of OFF and the boards are moving. It is an "in transit" indicator.

 

Is this concluded from real life experience?

[Bouli306]

The barber pole is displayed as long as the speed brake switch is out of OFF and the boards are moving. It is an "in transit" indicator.

 

Simply not true. Where did you get that information from?

[DirtySanchez]

An Ohio ANG Block 30 FTD.

[Bouli306]

An Ohio ANG Block 30 FTD.

 

I think that device is wrong than it might be a block 30 thing. As earlier in this posttrain the manual says that it might come on momentarilly during switching. And will show when the indicator does not receive electrical power.

[cofcorpse]

I assumed that switching is when indicator is switching from one position to another, because diagonals are placed between closed and opened positions.

[uri_ba]

I assumed that switching is when indicator is switching from one position to another, because diagonals are placed between closed and opened positions.

correct,

that is why it's momentary. as the lable changes from open to close (or the other way around).

 

 

However, there is no relative "in between" position as some still believe.

indicator tells you that the speed breaks are either closed, not closed, or that the indicator isn't indicating.