hazzer Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Hi, I have discovered an issue that persists with the FW190 A8 and the Yak-52. I have already informed nineline about this but thought a bug report would be useful. The issue appears to be linked with shadows and when they are turned on or is possibly made worse by shadows. On the ground with the engine off in 2D I get 190-200fps. In VR I get 60-70. When the engine is running and prop spinning in 2D the fps drops to 120-140. In VR 25-35 fps. If shadows are turned off the fps increased a fair amount but there is still a drop. The issue is noticeable in Multiplayer more, If someone joins In a Yak or Anton the frame rates deteriorate and only get worse as more join in the same type. I hope this information is useful. Here is a video uploaded in the yak, showing the issue, the same happens in the fw190a8 RTX 2080ti, I7 9700k, 32gb ram, SSD, Samsung Odyssey VR, MSFFB2, T-50 Throttle, Thrustmaster Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amazingme Posted October 23, 2019 Share Posted October 23, 2019 Hi, I have discovered an issue that persists with the FW190 A8 and the Yak-52. I have already informed nineline about this but thought a bug report would be useful. The issue appears to be linked with shadows and when they are turned on or is possibly made worse by shadows. On the ground with the engine off in 2D I get 190-200fps. In VR I get 60-70. When the engine is running and prop spinning in 2D the fps drops to 120-140. In VR 25-35 fps. If shadows are turned off the fps increased a fair amount but there is still a drop. The issue is noticeable in Multiplayer more, If someone joins In a Yak or Anton the frame rates deteriorate and only get worse as more join in the same type. I hope this information is useful. Here is a video uploaded in the yak, showing the issue, the same happens in the fw190a8 Where do I start... works as designed man.. works as designed. Specs: Asus Z97 PRO Gamer, i7 4790K@4.6GHz, 4x8GB Kingston @2400MHz 11-13-14-32, Titan X, Creative X-Fi, 128+2x250GB SSDs, VPC T50 Throttle + G940, MFG Crosswinds, TrackIR 5 w/ pro clip, JetSeat, Win10 Pro 64-bit, Oculus Rift, 27"@1920x1080 Settings:2.1.x - Textures:High Terrain:High Civ.Traffic:Off Water:High VisRan:Low Heatblur:High Shadows:High Res:1920x1080 RoC:1024 MSAA:4x AF:16x HDR:OFF DefS: ON GCI: ON DoF:Off Lens: OFF C/G:390m Trees:1500m R:max Gamma: 1.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazzer Posted October 23, 2019 Author Share Posted October 23, 2019 Where do I start... works as designed man.. works as designed. I'm sorry I don't understand? This is already a known bug with the yak-52 and I was just making sure they was aware the Anton also has this issue. Are you saying the frame rate is supposed to drop? RTX 2080ti, I7 9700k, 32gb ram, SSD, Samsung Odyssey VR, MSFFB2, T-50 Throttle, Thrustmaster Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amazingme Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Shadows kill the fps and I don't think it's necessarily a bug. What are your in-game settings? Specs: Asus Z97 PRO Gamer, i7 4790K@4.6GHz, 4x8GB Kingston @2400MHz 11-13-14-32, Titan X, Creative X-Fi, 128+2x250GB SSDs, VPC T50 Throttle + G940, MFG Crosswinds, TrackIR 5 w/ pro clip, JetSeat, Win10 Pro 64-bit, Oculus Rift, 27"@1920x1080 Settings:2.1.x - Textures:High Terrain:High Civ.Traffic:Off Water:High VisRan:Low Heatblur:High Shadows:High Res:1920x1080 RoC:1024 MSAA:4x AF:16x HDR:OFF DefS: ON GCI: ON DoF:Off Lens: OFF C/G:390m Trees:1500m R:max Gamma: 1.5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazzer Posted October 24, 2019 Author Share Posted October 24, 2019 Shadows kill the fps and I don't think it's necessarily a bug. What are your in-game settings? It is a bug as this does not happen with any other aircraft apart from the two mentioned above. I couldn't fly in vr for months because I thought my rig wasn't good enough. The issue still exists without VR. As I have said Nineline had already confirmed the bug for the Yak52 and I was just informing you all that it exists for the anton. Not sure why it is being disputed. I have spent a long time testing. No other aircraft has a 30fps drop when the engine starts, which gets worse when more of the same type are added. If you fly in a mission or server where there are no Yak52s or Antons other than yourself you probably won't see it RTX 2080ti, I7 9700k, 32gb ram, SSD, Samsung Odyssey VR, MSFFB2, T-50 Throttle, Thrustmaster Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 I didnt notice any fps drops, but i dont use VR System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazzer Posted October 24, 2019 Author Share Posted October 24, 2019 I didnt notice any fps drops, but i dont use VR Yeah without vr you don't actually notice the large drop in frame rates, it exists but I isn't critical or even noticeable unless you are looking for it! RTX 2080ti, I7 9700k, 32gb ram, SSD, Samsung Odyssey VR, MSFFB2, T-50 Throttle, Thrustmaster Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Yeah without vr you don't actually notice the large drop in frame rates, it exists but I isn't critical or even noticeable unless you are looking for it! I am stable at 60 FPS so i will not notice if it drops from 200 to 180 ok System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazzer Posted October 24, 2019 Author Share Posted October 24, 2019 I am stable at 60 FPS so i will not notice if it drops from 200 to 180 ok Again like I have stated it is more of an issue when flying in VR and with shadows enabled. If you are locked at 60 you won't notice this unless there are multiple fw190s. This thread isn't really aimed at you. RTX 2080ti, I7 9700k, 32gb ram, SSD, Samsung Odyssey VR, MSFFB2, T-50 Throttle, Thrustmaster Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazzer Posted October 24, 2019 Author Share Posted October 24, 2019 I have attached 2 screenshots showing engine off and on. RTX 2080ti, I7 9700k, 32gb ram, SSD, Samsung Odyssey VR, MSFFB2, T-50 Throttle, Thrustmaster Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anatoli-Kagari9 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 See also here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=4068849 A solution here for those who had similar problems when the Spitfire was released: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/2306815/ Flight Simulation is the Virtual Materialization of a Dream... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazzer Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 See also here: https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?p=4068849 A solution here for those who had similar problems when the Spitfire was released: https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/2306815/ Ah brilliant, thanks for this. I didn't know there was a mod for the spitfire prop. Has anyone made a mod the fw? RTX 2080ti, I7 9700k, 32gb ram, SSD, Samsung Odyssey VR, MSFFB2, T-50 Throttle, Thrustmaster Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 I have attached 2 screenshots showing engine off and on. Have you tried difrent rpm like idle and 1500rpm if it has any effect on fps System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazzer Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 Have you tried difrent rpm like idle and 1500rpm if it has any effect on fps Yeah I have, it appears once the prop is spinning the fps drops right until the prop stops. I tried takeoff power, idle, cruise. RTX 2080ti, I7 9700k, 32gb ram, SSD, Samsung Odyssey VR, MSFFB2, T-50 Throttle, Thrustmaster Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Yeah I have, it appears once the prop is spinning the fps drops right until the prop stops. I tried takeoff power, idle, cruise. spinning prop animation is too much for modern computing :) System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazzer Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 spinning prop animation is too much for modern computing :) It appears to be the case! From my simple mind thinking it could be something to do with the shadow trying to reflect onto the prop. Although it might have nothing to do with that and just be a random error RTX 2080ti, I7 9700k, 32gb ram, SSD, Samsung Odyssey VR, MSFFB2, T-50 Throttle, Thrustmaster Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ala13_ManOWar Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Tried different drivers? That sounds like GPU is not handling something properly. S! "I went into the British Army believing that if you want peace you must prepare for war. I believe now that if you prepare for war, you get war." -- Major-General Frederick B. Maurice Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
grafspee Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Have you tried different GPUs ?? System specs: I7 14700KF, Gigabyte Z790 Aorus Elite, 64GB DDR4 3600MHz, Gigabyte RTX 4090,Win 11, 48" OLED LG TV + 42" LG LED monitor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazzer Posted October 25, 2019 Author Share Posted October 25, 2019 Yes this has been tried on many drivers and different gpus. I do feel like a bit of a broken record saying that this is already a known bug. Not a hardware bug. RTX 2080ti, I7 9700k, 32gb ram, SSD, Samsung Odyssey VR, MSFFB2, T-50 Throttle, Thrustmaster Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted November 13, 2019 ED Team Share Posted November 13, 2019 I've reported it, I noticed its much better or at least not as apparent with vsync on, but regardless I have let the team know. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazzer Posted November 13, 2019 Author Share Posted November 13, 2019 I've reported it, I noticed its much better or at least not as apparent with vsync on, but regardless I have let the team know. Thanks nineline, vsync won't help in vr unfortunately since it dips my fps below 45! Any progress on the same issue for the yak or not yet? Thanks :) RTX 2080ti, I7 9700k, 32gb ram, SSD, Samsung Odyssey VR, MSFFB2, T-50 Throttle, Thrustmaster Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted November 13, 2019 ED Team Share Posted November 13, 2019 Its known, and sorry this was reported for a while, but I forgot to update this thread, I just submitted new FPS data to the team as well. The Mustang doesnt have these drops that I can see, so something id off or missing. Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazzer Posted November 14, 2019 Author Share Posted November 14, 2019 Its known, and sorry this was reported for a while, but I forgot to update this thread, I just submitted new FPS data to the team as well. The Mustang doesnt have these drops that I can see, so something id off or missing. The mustang has an older propeller model, perhaps it is something to do with that RTX 2080ti, I7 9700k, 32gb ram, SSD, Samsung Odyssey VR, MSFFB2, T-50 Throttle, Thrustmaster Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team NineLine Posted November 15, 2019 ED Team Share Posted November 15, 2019 (edited) Could be, hoping they will figure it all out. The only thing weird I noticed in my tests is even with vysnc, the frames are not smooth, but the Spitfire and Yak are, so something more there. Anton Spitfire Mustang Edited November 15, 2019 by NineLine Forum Rules • My YouTube • My Discord - NineLine#0440• **How to Report a Bug** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hazzer Posted November 15, 2019 Author Share Posted November 15, 2019 Could be, hoping they will figure it all out. The only thing weird I noticed in my tests is even with vysnc, the frames are not smooth, but the Spitfire and Yak are, so something more there. Anton Spitfire Mustang Hmm that's interesting, does the yak have a similar spikes as the anton or is it more stable. I wonder since the effects are both worse on those 2. What was you doing when you did these tests? Just on the ground. I wonder if the fps changes with rpm/power changes RTX 2080ti, I7 9700k, 32gb ram, SSD, Samsung Odyssey VR, MSFFB2, T-50 Throttle, Thrustmaster Rudder Pedals Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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