how to know which plane is locking you up...

[CypherS]

I remember Wag's using the phrase 'CORRECT AS IS' tag at some point. Can't find the link. This was pretty much the only reference Wag's / ED has made.

 

And it was a while ago, so maybe there's hope.

 

 

I think the problem is that ED have to be able to prove that all data they use is in the public domain, and specific to the Hornet. They can't / won't mix and match data, like F-14's RWR etc in case they get their collars felt again. Maybe I'm wrong.

 

If you look around you'll find a paper that mentions that the ALR-67 relays relative signal strength to the pilot. (It doesn't mention the rings, but you can find other sources that say the RWR uses these threat rings) Curiously enough according to Razbam's research (which I wish they could share), the ALR-67 in the harrier can actually show relative signal strength and that is how they modeled it.

[Harker]

I remember Wag's using the phrase 'CORRECT AS IS' tag at some point. Can't find the link. This was pretty much the only reference Wag's / ED has made.

 

And it was a while ago, so maybe there's hope.

 

 

I think the problem is that ED have to be able to prove that all data they use is in the public domain, and specific to the Hornet. They can't / won't mix and match data, like F-14's RWR etc in case they get their collars felt again. Maybe I'm wrong.

I agree that ED needs to be 100% sure it's public, but you can't get more public that PDFs readily available on Google.

[CypherS]

Thanks for the link. :thumbup: I sure hope they reconsider their position on this; the RWR is offering very little in terms of SA right now. It even makes things more dangerous, if you expect it to work like the real thing.

 

I really wish they would. The Hornet has been my favorite jet since I was a 5-year-old when my dad got me a copy of Top Gun: Hornet's Nest.:joystick:

[majapahit]

I agree that ED needs to be 100% sure it's public, but you can't get more public that PDFs readily available on Google.

These DCS planes are 'old'/previous generation, and the supposed 'leaks', of for instance manuals or data sheets, copies readily available via internet links,

 

a US justice department that insists on prosecuting people, this one Russian ex DCS employee I presume still being 'rendition-ed' (is he still?) in some dark high security cell in a prison in Utah flown in from the other side of the world through government pressure and this, his, circumstance to be considered torture and human rights abuse,

 

where this rendition of a Russian civilian under odious color of law, this, mind you, now rampant in the USA, both internally and which has become international,

 

is beyond disgusting.

 

Isn't it.

Edited November 7, 2019 by majapahit

[AvroLanc]

I agree that ED needs to be 100% sure it's public, but you can't get more public that PDFs readily available on Google.

 

I know, I agree, which is why some of ED's decisions are odd. To say the least.

[fitness88]

After reading all this info from you guys I'm not sure what I know/don't know:doh:

 

Using the Azimuth Indicator [RWR] my understanding now after reading these posts is threats in the same threat band do not pose the same threat level. I thought all planes in the outside band [where the tick marks are] always represented the same critical threat as did the planes in the lethal band. The non-lethal threat band I assumed were friendly and unknown planes.

The only thing I think I'm sure of is the threat direction, this being determined by the planes location relative to the status circle in the centre of the Azimuth Indicator [RWR].

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=220736&stc=1&d=1573165576

[Harker]

After reading all this info from you guys I'm not sure what I know/don't know:doh:

 

Using the Azimuth Indicator [RWR] my understanding now after reading these posts is threats in the same threat band do not pose the same threat level. I thought all planes in the outside band [where the tick marks are] always represented the same critical threat as did the planes in the lethal band. The non-lethal threat band I assumed were friendly and unknown planes.

The only thing I think I'm sure of is the threat direction, this being determined by the planes location relative to the status circle in the centre of the Azimuth Indicator [RWR].

 

https://forums.eagle.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=220736&stc=1&d=1573165576

The RWR's threat band logic is reversed between the manual and the Hornet in-game. So you get the non-lethal threats on the outer band, in-game. ED should either update the manual or reverse the RWR logic in-game, whichever is correct.

 

IRL, a threat capable of engaging you but that is very far away to do so, will also show up as non-lethal, until it gets closer and then it will be moved to the lethal band, as its radar signal strength increases. It doesn't need to lock you up. If it locks you up, it'll be moved to the critical band and if it launches, it'll flash and get an azimuth line.

 

The currently implemented RWR logic in the DCS F-18 shows any radars/threats not actively locking you as non-lethal, no matter if they're right next to you or 100 NM away. In DCS, unless someone locks you up, you're correct that you can only get the direction of the threat, with no presented information on range/lethality. The threat will show up as non-lethal until it locks you up, at which point it'll be moved directly to critical.

[majapahit]

You need to monitor your SA so to know who does what from where so to calculate what your RWR signals.

[Harker]

You need to monitor your SA so to know who does what from where so to calculate what your RWR signals.

Assuming you can. The SA page and MSI are powerful tools, probably the most important systems, alongside the radar and the RWR. But there are situations where you can't rely on the SA page and that's where RWR range/lethality info would come be vital.

[majapahit]

Assuming you can. The SA page and MSI are powerful tools, probably the most important systems, alongside the radar and the RWR. But there are situations where you can't rely on the SA page and that's where RWR range/lethality info would come be vital.

#101

Look outside

[Harker]

#101

Look outside

No argument there :lol:. This only applies to WVR though. How do you know if that F-14 is within weapons range or not or if it has even fired already, if it shows as non-lethal all the time? Or should I react by going defensive against an F-14 that could be 120 NM away?

[fitness88]

The RWR's threat band logic is reversed between the manual and the Hornet in-game. So you get the non-lethal threats on the outer band, in-game. ED should either update the manual or reverse the RWR logic in-game, whichever is correct.

 

IRL, a threat capable of engaging you but that is very far away to do so, will also show up as non-lethal, until it gets closer and then it will be moved to the lethal band, as its radar signal strength increases. It doesn't need to lock you up. If it locks you up, it'll be moved to the critical band and if it launches, it'll flash and get an azimuth line.

 

The currently implemented RWR logic in the DCS F-18 shows any radars/threats not actively locking you as non-lethal, no matter if they're right next to you or 100 NM away. In DCS, unless someone locks you up, you're correct that you can only get the direction of the threat, with no presented information on range/lethality. The threat will show up as non-lethal until it locks you up, at which point it'll be moved directly to critical.

 

Thank you for that info, especially on threat reversal! For me it's more intuitive to have the higher threat closer to the centre of the RWR with the least threat further away.

So from outside in...non-lethal, lethal, critical?

[Harker]

So from outside in...non-lethal, lethal, critical?

Yup, that's how it works right now. Happy to help :)

[will-]

Your missing another factor, that for some reason have some people confused. Being in LOS of any active radar in dcs.

[maxTRX]

Your missing another factor, that for some reason have some people confused. Being in LOS of any active radar in dcs.

 

 

I've been there... between 4 friendly destroyers and a bandit SU33, drove me nuts:mad: had no time to play with filters

Edited November 9, 2019 by Gripes323

[Harker]

Your missing another factor, that for some reason have some people confused. Being in LOS of any active radar in dcs.

Yeah, that's true. I forgot about that. Even if you're not the one being locked, you'll still get a lock warning in DCS if you're in LOS. Kinda annoying, but I don't know how it is IRL.

[fitness88]

LOS...line of sight?

[Ziptie]

LOS...line of sight?

 

Correct.

 

 

Cheers,

 

Don