XTAL 5K VR HMD has ARRIVED!

[-Hammer-1606689095]

Greetings Everyone!

 

 

My XTAL 5K VR HMD has arrived! :pilotfly:

 

 

 

New! DCS + XTAL Through the Lens videos!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

XTAL Promo / Intro Vid!

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

In the near future everyone will be receiving a PROPER detailed review covering the following topics:

 

 

 

• The Purchase Process, Associated Costs, and, Delivery times
  
  

 

• Unboxing the XTAL 5K VR HMD
  
  

 

• Installation, Setup and configuration with Windows 10
  

 

• Build quality and the hardware interface
  

 

• Ergonomics of the XTAL 5K VR HMD (Seated & Room Scale)
  

 

• Implementation and use of XTAL (VRgineers) Software in Windows 10
  

 

• Visual acuity, clarity, and Performance Testing
  
  

 

• Through-the-Lens comparison with the HTC VIVE Pro
  

 

• Setup and Configuration as well as overall implementation into SteamVR
  

 

• XTAL + Leap Motion
  
  

 

• DCS Performance gains with the XTAL 5K VR HMD
  

 

 

Stay Tuned!

Edited November 25, 2019 by -=Hammer=-
DCS Through The Lens Update

[DerekSpeare]

Wow

[Relix2k]

Very Nice

[Harlikwin]

Cool looking forward to this. Any chance you have other headsets (HP reverb to compare it to?)

[rrohde]

Subscribed. Looking forward to some insights.

[-Hammer-1606689095]

Cool looking forward to this. Any chance you have other headsets (HP reverb to compare it to?)

 

 

Hi Harlikwin!

 

Unfortunately I do not have the reverb on hand for a direct comparison.

 

But fear not!, More info is coming soon for everyone to see and experience. :thumbup:

 

 

Stay Tuned!

[-Hammer-1606689095]

Updated Initial Video Test, please comment, like, and subscribe!

 

 

 

 

 

More to follow soon, Stay tuned!

[dburne]

Updated Initial Video Test, please comment, like, and subscribe!

 

 

 

 

 

More to follow soon, Stay tuned!

 

? I must be missing something...

[-Hammer-1606689095]

? I must be missing something...

 

 

Hiya Dburne,

 

 

 

Video is on the first post of the the thread, please feel free to check it out.

 

 

 

DCS and other content to follow soon, Stay Tuned!

[dburne]

I guess I am a little confused, the video I see is a 20 second what appears to be promotional vid just showing the headset itself with music in background.

Is this the "Initial Video Test" ?

Are you affiliated with VRgineers?

Edited November 8, 2019 by dburne

[-Hammer-1606689095]

I guess I am a little confused, the video I see is a 20 second what appears to be promotional vid just showing the headset itself with music in background.

Is this the "Initial Video Test" ?

 

 

 

 

Yes'Sir, Affirmative.

 

 

 

Considering that I have never created a youtube video (or any other video for that matter), the look, feel, and layout and composition experience is what I needed to get a handle on before I started into the details of putting together a logical, well informed, and highly detailed PROPER media review for everyone here to see.

 

 

 

More content will follow shortly, it's well worth the wait as this is a game changer in the DCS VR world.

 

 

 

Thanks for the feedback and Stay tuned! :thumbup:

 

 

-VNAO VFA 103 Hammer

[hip3rion]

Let's see,

 

 

Hammer Profile created in november 2019 so less than 9 days ago.

5 posts, all of them in his Xtal thread.

Claims he has never done any video but created one with 'digital distortion' effects, in a studio like environment with a perfectly clean white background.

Moving/sliding motion on a company branded stand.

Teases with a 20 seconds useless 'initial review' video

 

Encourages you to like/subscribe like a good internet PR person.

 

 

Yup... seems legit'... totally not a commercial or someone paid to do so :lol::music_whistling:

[dburne]

Yeah my "guess" is this is more a promotional thread, we'll see I guess.

[twistking]

please also be reminded, that the original xtal video by sweviver, that got some people so hyped up, was itself already a promotional video by definition, since sweviver was/is affiliated with vrgineers/xtal.

that being said, i'm still interested in some information on the device - especially on the technical details. however, it should be made clear if this is promotional content!

Edited November 9, 2019 by twistking

[Goblin]

since sweviver was/is affiliated with vrgineers/xtal.

 

He’s working for Pimax.

[twistking]

He’s working for Pimax.

that does not contradict my statement. also sweviver did himself state that he was affiliated with xtal. if not in the original video, then in a follow-up to it, or in the comments. this is not a secret or anything...

however i do not know, if he is still affiliated with xtal/VRgineers at this point. the important thing is, that he was, when he did the video.

Edited November 9, 2019 by twistking

[-Hammer-1606689095]

Good Afternoon Gentlemen from sunny florida!

 

 

 

 

Let's see,

 

 

Hammer Profile created in november 2019 so less than 9 days ago.

5 posts, all of them in his Xtal thread.

Claims he has never done any video but created one with 'digital distortion' effects, in a studio like environment with a perfectly clean white background.

Moving/sliding motion on a company branded stand.

Teases with a 20 seconds useless 'initial review' video

 

Encourages you to like/subscribe like a good internet PR person.

 

 

Yup... seems legit'... totally not a commercial or someone paid to do so :lol::music_whistling:

 

 

 

 

Hiya Hip3ron!, I must admit, I LOL'd at the conspiracy theory you put out here :megalol:

 

 

I'll take what you said as complements considering I did put about a total of 5 hours of work into creating the first video! I am definitely learning as I go, but I am so enthusiastic about how absolutely AWESOME the the clarity is with XTAL, that I'm willing to give it my all!

 

 

 

 

Yeah my "guess" is this is more a promotional thread, we'll see I guess.

 

 

Hiya Dburne!, This is definitely promotional for all of us, for Eagle Dynamics, for VRgineers (the Talent behind XTAL), and for all of us, the users of this amazing simulation software! :beer:

 

 

 

 

 

 

please also be reminded, that the original xtal video by sweviver, that got some people so hyped up, was itself already a promotional video by definition, since sweviver was/is affiliated with vrgineers/xtal.

that being said, i'm still interested in some information on the device - especially on the technical details. however, it should be made clear if this is promotional content!

 

 

 

 

Greetings twistking!,

 

 

 

Thanks for your feedback!, I will be hopefully uploading the 2nd video later tonight! It will be a montage of Through-the-Lens clips which showcase the amazing quality and clarity that XTAL offers.

 

 

 

The only downside is that there is a loss of quality during video composition and encoding due to me NOT having a professional studio or studio cameras and equipment, but none the less, the quality should suffice at present for my humble youtube upload beginnings. :thumbup::smartass:

 

 

Everyone Stay Tuned!

[Thick8]

Did anyone else notice that he didn't deny working for Xtal?

[GunSlingerAUS]

Did anyone else notice that he didn't deny working for Xtal?

 

Lol, I sure did! It's pretty obvious this guy is doing promotional work for Xtal. It's a shame that they go about it in such a shady way, as it does nothing but make the brand look weak.

 

And from all accounts, the Xtal is a huge disappointment, at least when it comes to games and simming. You're much better off buying a Reverb, which is a fraction of the cost. It's a bummer, as the Xtal promised some interesting technology, but the end product is more a proof of concept than an actually desirable consumer product. Better luck next time, though if they're now skulking around forums, I hate to say that I don't think there will be a next time...

[-Hammer-1606689095]

Did anyone else notice that he didn't deny working for Xtal?

 

 

Hiya Thick8, I can make it official and say that I am not employed for nor do I work for XTAL.

 

 

 

And just for accuracy, their company is called Vrgineers, their product is the XTAL. :smartass:, I work for neither.

 

 

Lol, I sure did! It's pretty obvious this guy is doing promotional work for Xtal. It's a shame that they go about it in such a shady way, as it does nothing but make the brand look weak.

 

And from all accounts, the Xtal is a huge disappointment, at least when it comes to games and simming. You're much better off buying a Reverb, which is a fraction of the cost. It's a bummer, as the Xtal promised some interesting technology, but the end product is more a proof of concept than an actually desirable consumer product. Better luck next time, though if they're now skulking around forums, I hate to say that I don't think there will be a next time...

 

 

Hiya GunSlinger, nope, I do not work for XTAL, my day job actually has me cruising around FL450 doing .90 though, so there is a relation as to why I actually do enjoy the extreme clarity AND near 180 degrees FOV with my XTAL that I purchased as an ordinary consumer.

 

 

 

 

 

One of the labs over in Digital Media (we are all engineers here but the Media guys are actually in the School of Journalism) has an Xtal that I did not even know about until Thursday. I went over and tried it out on Friday for almost 2 hours. One word can sum up my experiences, .... disappointment. I may detail all the specifics later but the $630 Reverb is better. (So is the Rift S for that matter)

 

 

Hiya Aurelius!

 

 

 

I'm trying to wrap my head around your experience that you had over your colleagues place, it is a VERY different experience compared to what I have and hence my motivation to show the world how great the XTAL is, albeit, nothing is perfect for sure as there are ergonomic factors that can be improved for sure.

 

 

 

New DCS Through the Lens video posted on first page, first post!

[jwilliams417]

Doesn't look that great, can't really tell any difference from my Samsung O+ but I bet it sure as hell costs more than the $250 I paid......lol no thanks.

[-Hammer-1606689095]

Doesn't look that great, can't really tell any difference from my Samsung O+ but I bet it sure as hell costs more than the $250 I paid......lol no thanks.

 

 

Hiya jwilliams,

 

 

Two entirely different ball games my friend, I've used the O+ and it does not compare on so many levels. The O+ is quite a bit lighter though, so it has that much going for it comparatively! :smilewink:

 

 

By the way,:smilewink: to be able to run EACH eye @ 3132 x 1764 with Hi settings across the board + SSA 2.0 and MSAA 4x on an i7 6850K paired with a 2080 ti and get:

 

 

--> silky smooth experience

 

--> EXTREME CLARITY

 

--> 170-180 deg FOV,

 

 

 

XTAL literally wipes the floor with the O+

 

 

 

Price is definitely drawback of the XTAL in it's current state, but, it is true that you get what you pay for + the costs of bleeding edge etc.

 

Also just to let ya (everyone know) the resolution of the recorded video + upload degrades the presented image quality by a large margin. :thumbup:

 

 

FL450 doing 0.90? CPL I assume?

 

(2730 hrs for myself)

 

 

Heya Aurelius, nice! :beer:

 

I'm a G650 Captain, It's a great plane with great performance, nice low cab alt up high too so it definitely helps on the long legs!

[GunSlingerAUS]

My apologies for assuming you work for the makers of the Xtal - you just came across as evasive about working for them, and very gushy about the product.

 

Can I ask a few questions?

 

1.) What frame rate are you getting in the game - I'm guessing half that of the HMD's refresh rate?

2.) Could you run VRfps for us, and tell us how it performs relating to dropped frames?

3.)Have you ever tried the HP Reverb? If so, how do they compare - from what I've heard, the Reverb is the better of the two?

 

Hope you can answer these questions, as I've given up on the Reverb due to the horrible reprojection issues.

[-Hammer-1606689095]

My apologies for assuming you work for the makers of the Xtal - you just came across as evasive about working for them, and very gushy about the product.

 

Can I ask a few questions?

 

1.) What frame rate are you getting in the game - I'm guessing half that of the HMD's refresh rate?

2.) Could you run VRfps for us, and tell us how it performs relating to dropped frames?

3.)Have you ever tried the HP Reverb? If so, how do they compare - from what I've heard, the Reverb is the better of the two?

 

Hope you can answer these questions, as I've given up on the Reverb due to the horrible reprojection issues.

 

 

 

 

Heya Gunslinger, no worries !

 

 

I'm putting together another Video with all the data you are asking for :thumbup:

 

 

In short, when it comes to optics and tracking options, the XTAL blows the Reverb / O+ / Vive Pro / away...

 

 

Eye tracking + foviated rendering is another thing that is possible with XTAL... AND, I can literally look with my "eyes" not only my head to the left or right and have a CLEAR high resolution image throughout the field of view, it's really amazing.

 

Sweet spot with the XTAL isn't even an issue to worry about as compared to these other basic consumer grade HMDS because like mentioned above, the visual clarity ACROSS the field of view for both eyes is literally from LEFT to RIGHT, UP to DOWN, and diagonally within your eye's rotational range of motion.

 

 

 

 

More info to follow shortly.:thumbup:

[The Falcon]

--> EXTREME CLARITY

How about chromatic aberration? I've seen some of it from the video