Fang333333 Posted November 21, 2019 Posted November 21, 2019 Hello folks, Again I write you from frustration city. I cannot do mission 4 in Sea Dragons. I cannot get passed the 2 F16s. I've spent days on this. They shoot me and my wingman down and all our missiles miss. Once in a while I get a kill or 2, but 14 outta 15 times we just get creamed. Dodgeing. ECM. CRAZY amount of missiles launched and yet they dodge them like an F-22. Missiles fired from all ranges. VARIOUS missile types I tried. The Aim 120's are nearly inescapable. What's frustrating is I see a video of someone doing this mission and they barely move. All of their missiles are making contact. If I were to do what he does in the video I would get clobbered. I'm getting clobbered anyway. I can jink wildly the whole time or stay locked on. It makes less than zero difference. Again, I had no idea F-16s had this great and amazing jinky stealth. Why the hell would we ever need F-35s? The damn F-16 in DCS is an untouchable UFO from another planet!! Is this broken!!?? Please tell me yes so I can skip this and feel better. Fang
Rudel_chw Posted November 21, 2019 Posted November 21, 2019 Why open one thread for each mission of the Campaign? ... it would be much better one for the single Campaign ... did you applied the patch of MadDog-IC? For work: iMac mid-2010 of 27" - Core i7 870 - 6 GB DDR3 1333 MHz - ATI HD5670 - SSD 256 GB - HDD 2 TB - macOS High Sierra For Gaming: 34" Monitor - Ryzen 3600 - 32 GB DDR4 2400 - nVidia RTX2080 - SSD 1.25 TB - HDD 10 TB - Win10 Pro - TM HOTAS Cougar Mobile: iPad Pro 12.9" of 256 GB
AeriaGloria Posted November 22, 2019 Posted November 22, 2019 Mud spike has a great article that might help https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=150315 Generally the AI can be really tough for beginners. I would recommend learning the combat ropes on some of the instant action missions Black Shark Den Squadron Member: We are open to new recruits, click here to check us out or apply to join! https://blacksharkden.com
draconus Posted November 22, 2019 Posted November 22, 2019 What's frustrating is I see a video of someone doing this mission and they barely move. All of their missiles are making contact. If I were to do what he does in the video I would get clobbered. Keep in mind that DCS is constantly changing platform. Video you mentioned may be using older version of DCS (different AI behavior, different flight models for both aircraft, AI and missiles) and mission (different AI paths, behavior, weaponry). What may look easy watching how the pros fly it is actually based upon hundreds of hours of experience. Things like exact timing, speed, position and angles make huge difference in combat. Lastly, you don't know how many tries it took for the video maker to success - it may as well be the 20th try, where the odds worked in favor for him :) Don't give up - keep training, maybe just the campaign missions are not the best time spent for this goal :thumbup: Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
Fang333333 Posted November 23, 2019 Author Posted November 23, 2019 Why open one thread for each mission of the Campaign? ... it would be much better one for the single Campaign ... did you applied the patch of MadDog-IC? I did apply patch. Thanks
Fang333333 Posted November 23, 2019 Author Posted November 23, 2019 Don't give up - keep training, maybe just the campaign missions are not the best time spent for this goal :thumbup: Thanks all, I'm actually still trying to get past those F-16s. I'm gonna take a look at the link. I have done training, to the point now that I feel it's best to put into practice what has been learned (and not learned). This tactic is helping me learn the tricks to get me through. Sadly the mission is still clobbering me. I am trying to evade via notching and ecm flicker. Well, anything else I can come up with. Thank you for being a great community here, Please let me know if any other hints are out there Fang
Fang333333 Posted November 23, 2019 Author Posted November 23, 2019 Mud spike has a great article that might help https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=150315 Generally the AI can be really tough for beginners. I would recommend learning the combat ropes on some of the instant action missions This is awesome!
blitze Posted November 23, 2019 Posted November 23, 2019 Bet it is those 120's that get you :) Learning painfully and slowly how to counter them but now that I get through those, I have the IR missiles to deal with LOL. It's fun though as my burning wreak of a F15 tumbles down to the ground in Nevada after taking out 2 Su25's and 2 Su27's Been at it for 2 weeks now. Got to learn more, much more but my Chaf and Flare switches are getting a great work out.
Ironhand Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 Thanks all, I'm actually still trying to get past those F-16s. I'm gonna take a look at the link. I have done training, to the point now that I feel it's best to put into practice what has been learned (and not learned). This tactic is helping me learn the tricks to get me through. Sadly the mission is still clobbering me. I am trying to evade via notching and ecm flicker. Well, anything else I can come up with. Thank you for being a great community here, Please let me know if any other hints are out there Fang What's the description (title, goal) of the mission? I'd like to take a look at it for you but I don't feel like flying the first 4 missions to get there. YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 11 Pro x64, Asrock Z790 Steel Legend MoBo, Intel i7-13700K, MSI RKT 4070 Super 12GB, Corsair Dominator DDR5 RAM 32GB.
DarkFire Posted November 24, 2019 Posted November 24, 2019 Don't give up - keep training, maybe just the campaign missions are not the best time spent for this goal :thumbup: Thanks all, I'm actually still trying to get past those F-16s. I'm gonna take a look at the link. I have done training, to the point now that I feel it's best to put into practice what has been learned (and not learned). This tactic is helping me learn the tricks to get me through. Sadly the mission is still clobbering me. I am trying to evade via notching and ecm flicker. Well, anything else I can come up with. Thank you for being a great community here, Please let me know if any other hints are out there Fang The F-16C's are tough opponents. Don't be afraid to use your wingmen to keep them occupied. I don't remember if this applies to this mission specifically but one thing that your AI wingmen are very bad at is fuel management. They'll happily hit max AB for pretty much any reason which can leave them dangerously close to bingo. Careful wingman management during the early stages of the mission will hopefully leave them with plenty of juice to mix it up with the Falcons. System Spec: Cooler Master Cosmos C700P Black Edition case. | AMD 5950X CPU | MSI RTX-3090 GPU | 32GB HyperX Predator PC4000 RAM | | TM Warthog stick & throttle | TrackIR 5 | Samsung 980 Pro NVMe 4 SSD 1TB (boot) | Samsung 870 QVO SSD 4TB (games) | Windows 10 Pro 64-bit. Personal wish list: DCS: Su-27SM & DCS: Avro Vulcan.
draconus Posted November 25, 2019 Posted November 25, 2019 What's the description (title, goal) of the mission? I'd like to take a look at it for you but I don't feel like flying the first 4 missions to get there. I think OP meant "Su-33 Camp 5.miz". It's 2 vs 2 and then another 2. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
Ironhand Posted November 26, 2019 Posted November 26, 2019 I think OP meant "Su-33 Camp 5.miz". It's 2 vs 2 and then another 2. Ahhh. I found two missions containing F-16s but I was wondering if that might be the one. YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 11 Pro x64, Asrock Z790 Steel Legend MoBo, Intel i7-13700K, MSI RKT 4070 Super 12GB, Corsair Dominator DDR5 RAM 32GB.
Ironhand Posted December 16, 2019 Posted December 16, 2019 (edited) Finally had a chance to fly this. Video with commentary: Edited December 4, 2020 by Ironhand YouTube Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCU1...CR6IZ7crfdZxDg _____ Win 11 Pro x64, Asrock Z790 Steel Legend MoBo, Intel i7-13700K, MSI RKT 4070 Super 12GB, Corsair Dominator DDR5 RAM 32GB.
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