MADDOG!

[Yeniceri]

Do real pilots use maddog in real life?..

Is it an existing system on real missiles or just imagination of ED..

Is it normal to use MADDOG in airfights?

Can a pilot use all his missiles on one aircraft is real war situations?

 

I am not asking that is it wise or right thing to do.

Just asking is it doable in real life!

[Pilotasso]

MAddogs exists as a real missile mode only for AMRAAM, theres a bug in the game that also makes it possible for heat seekers. In addition to that Maddoging any missile works well ingame above the 10 mile range that is advertised for AMRAAM. Its usualy easy do dodge BVR maddogs AMRAAm's unless you are jamming in wich case you probably get 1s of warning or none at all.

[Yeniceri]

Can it be considered cheat launching multiple missiles to a target and maddog at the same time?

[Pilotasso]

Its not a cheat, specialy if your doing it under 10 miles. If your doing it with heat seekers, well...I can say if you do it too obviously people will not like it online. There is no BVR and no lock on after launch to any heat seeker simulated in the game, thus taking advantage of this bug efectively turns any heat seeker into an ASRAAM equivalent.

 

AIM-9 is fair game since its so poorly simulated that its hardly usefull at all. It will miss anyway.

[Yeniceri]

Well some ppl consider it missle spamming and reacts getting shot like that..

thats why i asked..Thanks..

[Pilotasso]

Spam is used in real life. I get that plenty times, its less glamorus than a single calculated shot but you realy cant complain if you get caught by spam, if you do, then you got too close and vulnerable than you should.

[Yeniceri]

That was exactly what i was try'n to clear out..

Thanks man :)

[cool_t]

SPAMRAM

 

I think Pilo said it good, but as some people just say one is a spamer is no cause for alarm.

 

1. Remember that if you "Spam/Maddog" all of your missiles are shot at one point of engagement, your adversairy needs to just get out of that kill zone and then you are Winchester.

 

2. "Spamming/Maddoging" works good against screen printers also, it puts a volly of missiles in the general direction and when they are done warping "KAAAA-POWWW" Spalsh Bandit.

 

3. Dont wory about being called a "Spamer/Maddoger" its just venting of the shot-down pilots frustration.

 

4. Also the cannons on and jet have very hight rates of "Spamming/Maddoging" fire. Just imagin if your cannon on your jet was reduced to "SEMI AUTOMATIC FIRE"

 

5. Try various forms of "Spamming/Maddoging" you will find the "Kill-Ratio" of what ever missile you are using vary from ALTITUDE-ATTITUDE-PLATFORM SPEED and OFF SET ANGLE OF ATTACK.

 

I will be honest with you, I will try differnt forms of tactics on various servers where I push the razor edge. Wather or not my experiments and "New" tactics work is shown in my Kill Ratio or Kill Ratio devided by number of sorties flown.

 

I would also like to point out that the 169th Server and team is a good place to realy test your skills, Martin and team have good eyes on whos "Playing hard and fair" 169th is the only server where I care about bringing my F-15c back home with plenty of "Newbee" and "Ace" pilots to learn from.

 

:book:

[Grimes]

LOL, at point 4. Theres just to many aspects of that logic that I find so incredibly funny.

[Yeniceri]

well than.

long live maddog spammers :)

[Kuky]

cool_t... you are just funny now :D

[rogue_blade]

maddog is when you fire WVR right?

[S77th-GOYA]

Maddog is when you fire without a lock, letting the missile itself acquire the target.

[Yeniceri]

its releasing the dog

setting the fish loose

making missile do his own darn job

spanking the bandit

etc...

[Teknetinium]

MAddogs exists as a real missile mode only for AMRAAM, theres a bug in the game that also makes it possible for heat seekers. In addition to that Maddoging any missile works well ingame above the 10 mile range that is advertised for AMRAAM. Its usualy easy do dodge BVR maddogs AMRAAm's unless you are jamming in wich case you probably get 1s of warning or none at all.

 

 

:) pilot, Yes U can spam aim-120 but they must be guided on till 15km.

or they will be like spamming ETs. But in lock on u can just fire and forget, the missile has as good radar as the f.... airplain loool, impressive. and saying that aim 120s is bad in lock on is just not fear, compere to RF aim-120 has most kills that means only one thing, I guise u can figure it out ur self.

[S77th-GOYA]

saying that aim 120s is bad in lock on is just not fear, compere to RF aim-120 has most kills that means only one thing, I guise u can figure it out ur self.

 

The plain fact is that if an F-15 pilot makes a good shot and holds lock until 15km, chances are that the missile won't hit its target. There was a time he could fire a single missile and feel pretty confident about the results. I've personally seen missile after missile fired within the NEZ with a hard lock fail to hit anything. This is not to say that other radar missiles are any better because they are not. This is common knowledge. Firing multiple missiles in 1.12a is not the same thing as spamming in 1.02. Although firing them 1-2-3 in rapid succession is just as stupid and lame. If the first one misses, they're all going to miss.

 

Regarding what is quoted above, I'm really not sure what you mean. But using the fact that the 120 gets more hits than the ER does not mean the 120 isn't bad. It IS bad. The ER is worse. And it should be worse. But, again, none of the radar missiles should be as bad as they are in 1.12a.

 

And if by "RF" you mean Red Flag, I'm not so sure that the 120 has a better PK than the R-77. The one thing that is definite is that the ET is clearly the most lethal missile in 1.12a.

[Boneski]

Just as a side note.... A 9 shot is often followed by a call to check Re-heat if your buddy is also high aspect.

 

So IR's can go "Kill happy" as well.

[Pilotasso]

:) pilot, Yes U can spam aim-120 but they must be guided on till 15km.

or they will be like spamming ETs. But in lock on u can just fire and forget, the missile has as good radar as the f.... airplain loool, impressive. and saying that aim 120s is bad in lock on is just not fear, compere to RF aim-120 has most kills that means only one thing, I guise u can figure it out ur self.

 

AIM-120 maddogs just as easely as ET's at long range, it happens that they give warning most of the times. Thay are the most dangerous this way but less so than the ET. Thats because they have a seek pattern that is modeled to be too fast in the game and they almost always find the target, but on the other hand, a guided AMRAAM shot usualy gives more warning time--dont ask me why that hapens-- and then the lack of their resistence to clutter and ECM makes short work to dodge them. kineticaly they dont have any staying power at all, so the fact thay have a scanning pattern that is too efficient doesnt do much for my PK, it is ofset as they still miss too often because they also perform like vietnam era missiles.

What I do to overcome this, is to scare the target off so it dumps all chaf in the first 1-2 missiles so that the 3rd finishes him off.

[Yeniceri]

yes.. i noticed that too..

sometimes an early maddog can distract the bandits engagement and forces him to execute evasion maneuvers. Which leaves him open to an attack.

[Pilotasso]

Regarding what is quoted above, I'm really not sure what you mean. But using the fact that the 120 gets more hits than the ER does not mean the 120 isn't bad. It IS bad. The ER is worse. And it should be worse. But, again, none of the radar missiles should be as bad as they are in 1.12a.

 

And if by "RF" you mean Red Flag, I'm not so sure that the 120 has a better PK than the R-77. The one thing that is definite is that the ET is clearly the most lethal missile in 1.12a.

 

I have observed in my experience in 1.12a is that if you hold ER shots under 20km thay have a much greater PK than the AMRAAM. Not because they guide better, as you pointed out, they wont, but because they reach their targets MUCH faster. That equates to less time to turn and to react using chaff and notching. I have emptied MY WHOLE ordnance at 10 miles too often in the F-15. I certainly feel more confident at that range in a russian fighter. They may have more difficulty surprising a target at BVR but once WVR... oh my

[rogue_blade]

Maddog is when you fire without a lock, letting the missile itself acquire the target.

 

but im pretty sure that when i play falcon (haven't played in months) that the pilot radios maddog when i fire an amraam thats does have a lock but hes within like 10 miles or something

[GGTharos]

Maddog is an official brevity word used in two situations: Launching a missile without supporting to HPRF (cheapshot) or launching a missile that goes active right off the rail ... IIRC.

[159th_Viper]

Brevity

 

Pg 23

[GGTharos]

There's more to it than a visual launch IIRC.

[159th_Viper]

Which leads me to ponder the question as to why the USMC, Army, USN and USAF would neglect to elaborate...........;)