Alpha Posted January 31, 2020 Posted January 31, 2020 Hi saw a similar question in the general forum, but this seems more like the right place for it: Is it planned to make the Radar slewable in azimuth while in RWS? Currently this just works in TWS, which limits realistic BVR operations quite a bit. Thank you
Harker Posted February 1, 2020 Posted February 1, 2020 We should be getting SPOT mode for RWS at some point, I think. It doesn't work the same way TWS does. You press and hold the TDC over an area and that commands the radar to focus around that azimuth and when you let go, it returns back to the full search pattern. The vCVW-17 is looking for Hornet and Tomcat pilots and RIOs. Join the vCVW-17 Discord. F/A-18C, F-15E, AV-8B, F-16C, JF-17, A-10C/CII, M-2000C, F-14, AH-64D, BS2, UH-1H, P-51D, Sptifire, FC3 - i9-13900K, 64GB @6400MHz RAM, 4090 Strix OC, Samsung 990 Pro
Alpha Posted February 1, 2020 Author Posted February 1, 2020 Somebody put a "not realistic" tag onto this topic - and I´m pretty sure he is mistaken. I never flew the real F18, but I have worked/operated the real APG-65 in another jet, which uses the same radar. You can absolutely slew the radar in azimuth while in RWS. In real life RWS is the primary mode while searching and you usually don´t do that using the full azimuth (too high a frame time). So anytime one uses less than full azimuth you CAN slew the radar scan zone left/right. In fact it´s neccessary quite a lot during turning in a CAP, while setting up SSO Intercepts etc. - right now we´re severely limited in BVR. In the jet I flew (again: same radar!) this was done the same way as implemented in TWS here - the zone can be slewed as it centers around the TDC.
Tholozor Posted February 1, 2020 Posted February 1, 2020 Our version of the Hornet uses the APG-73, not the 65 (but basically an upgraded 65 as I understand it). If you have documentation that supports the operation of the radar cursor in RWS, please send it to the devs. REAPER 51 | Tholozor VFA-136 (c.2007): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3305981/ Arleigh Burke Destroyer Pack (2020): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3313752/
Alpha Posted February 1, 2020 Author Posted February 1, 2020 (edited) Yes, the -73 is just an upgraded -65. The function is called FTC (Follow-the-Cursor), in the jet I flew the WSO/RIO had a button on his Controls. It commands the Radar scan to center on the Aquisition Symbol when the radar is not in a 140 degree azimuth selection. This function is essential and also used in single-seat uses of this radar (and other radars) like in the F18. Documentation: None, that I can share. I´ll check with a buddy who did a tour on F18s. The Devs probably have contact with other RL Hornet aviators, I´m 100% sure they can back me up on this. Edit: Just checked with that buddy of mine, who did an exchange tour on hornets. In RWS you just move the TDC laterally and trigger in emptieness to center the azimuth around that position (of course only true with less than 140 deg). Edited February 1, 2020 by Alpha
BarTzi Posted February 1, 2020 Posted February 1, 2020 Scan centering was discussed here before and indeed is a feature of the plane in all scan modes(not TWS exclusive). I hope this was labeled 'non-realistic' because of the word slew. This might seem like you are hoping for the same feature the F-16 has (where the cone follows the TDC movement). Scan centering works how you described above.
Alpha Posted February 1, 2020 Author Posted February 1, 2020 Ah, maybe. I don´t know how the Vipers Radar Controls work, sticking to the only one I do know :) Happy with having the Topic wording changed, if that removes the "non-realistic" thingy :smilewink:
ED Team BIGNEWY Posted February 2, 2020 ED Team Posted February 2, 2020 Hi all some maybe confusing with an actual azimuth slew attached to the TDC with SPOT mode. We have no documentation for the former, but we already plan SPOT. for true azimuth slew attached to the TDC, there is TWS mode. If you do have information that says different please PM one of us and we will take a look. Thank you Forum rules - DCS Crashing? Try this first - Cleanup and Repair - Discord BIGNEWY#8703 - Youtube - Patch Status Windows 11, NVIDIA MSI RTX 3090, Intel® i9-10900K 3.70GHz, 5.30GHz Turbo, Corsair Hydro Series H150i Pro, 64GB DDR @3200, ASUS ROG Strix Z490-F Gaming, PIMAX Crystal
BarTzi Posted February 2, 2020 Posted February 2, 2020 some maybe confusing with an actual azimuth slew attached to the TDC with SPOT mode. And still, scan centering (if you scan less than 140 degrees) around the TDC is a feature for all scan modes. You can center the scan area around the current position of your TDC, but you can't slew the scan area like you can in the F-16. SPOT is a different feature. That's what OP was probably talking about. https://forums.eagle.ru/showpost.php?p=4032302&postcount=22
jojo Posted February 2, 2020 Posted February 2, 2020 Somebody put a "not realistic" tag onto this topic - and I´m pretty sure he is mistaken. I never flew the real F18, but I have worked/operated the real APG-65 in another jet, which uses the same radar. You can absolutely slew the radar in azimuth while in RWS. In real life RWS is the primary mode while searching and you usually don´t do that using the full azimuth (too high a frame time). So anytime one uses less than full azimuth you CAN slew the radar scan zone left/right. In fact it´s neccessary quite a lot during turning in a CAP, while setting up SSO Intercepts etc. - right now we´re severely limited in BVR. In the jet I flew (again: same radar!) this was done the same way as implemented in TWS here - the zone can be slewed as it centers around the TDC. Sounds like F-4F :smartass: Mirage fanatic ! I7-7700K/ MSI RTX3080/ RAM 64 Go/ SSD / TM Hornet stick-Virpil WarBRD + Virpil CM3 Throttle + MFG Crosswind + Reverb G2. Flickr gallery: https://www.flickr.com/gp/71068385@N02/728Hbi
Santi871 Posted February 2, 2020 Posted February 2, 2020 Perhaps it's a matter of semantics. RWS slewing (radar azimuth following the cursor) is not possible. RWS centering (radar azimuth centered by depressing the cursor) is.
Alpha Posted February 2, 2020 Author Posted February 2, 2020 @jojo: ;-) Well, let´s not get bogged down by semantics... it may be called "mary" as long as the function is given to adjust the scan zone laterally with less than 140 deg azimuth :-) @mods: As the missing function was explained in detail in this thread and is obviously NOT unrealistic - can we have the Topic-title adjusted, please? Thanks :-)
Beamscanner Posted February 2, 2020 Posted February 2, 2020 Scan centering is available in RWS. Already PM'd nineline on this.
Alpha Posted February 2, 2020 Author Posted February 2, 2020 You mean it´s supposed to be / it will be, right? Because currently Scan centering is not available.
Alpha Posted August 20, 2020 Author Posted August 20, 2020 Any news? It´s beeen more than half a year already. Any SME will absolutely agree that this is a rather rudimentary and quite neccessary function. IRL You don´t want to run around with 140deg Azimuth all the time - working the radar in RWS using less than 140deg is the most used function BVR in real life. A/G-Radar is far less frequently used... ;-)
Swift. Posted August 20, 2020 Posted August 20, 2020 Any news? It´s beeen more than half a year already. Any SME will absolutely agree that this is a rather rudimentary and quite neccessary function. IRL You don´t want to run around with 140deg Azimuth all the time - working the radar in RWS using less than 140deg is the most used function BVR in real life. A/G-Radar is far less frequently used... ;-) By the sounds of it, the scan zone can't be slewed in RWS but rather just centered. If you are asking for scanning slewing then you will be asking forever. 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2
Alpha Posted August 25, 2020 Author Posted August 25, 2020 Well, thats just semantics as it´s pretty clear whats missing and there´s another thread asking for it using the word "centering" ;-) https://forums.eagle.ru/showthread.php?t=275334 Still nothing happening in either thread and this one is on "checking" for more than half a year. I don´t want to spam and bump the other thread as well, but this a very important function which is missing and can´t be found on any roadmap so far afaik. If it was only the wording slew vs centering then the other thread should indicate some kind of answer.
Beamscanner Posted August 27, 2020 Posted August 27, 2020 Perhaps it's a matter of semantics. RWS slewing (radar azimuth following the cursor) is not possible. RWS centering (radar azimuth centered by depressing the cursor) is. This is correct. In RWS, the scan center will not follow your cursor like it does in the Viper. But, you can manually adjust the scan center by depressing the TDC.
Alpha Posted August 28, 2020 Author Posted August 28, 2020 Well, currently we can´t... ;-) Hopefully this will find it´s way into a future update.
Alpha Posted November 5, 2020 Author Posted November 5, 2020 Well, this one has been in "checking" for some months now and as far as I can see it´s still neither acknowledged nor fixed in the current OB Update. Any news?
ExNusquam Posted November 5, 2020 Posted November 5, 2020 You can currently adjust the scan center using the AZ/EL format, so this functionality now "exists" but still needs to be copied over to the ATK RDR format. 476th vFG/510th vFS
amalahama Posted November 9, 2020 Posted November 9, 2020 I don't understand this post. I can designate any empty area in RWS mode and the scan would automatically recenter. My only issue is that if it happens to be any contact close to the area where I designated it automatically enters into STT, which is annoying
Alpha Posted November 9, 2020 Author Posted November 9, 2020 You don´t want to run around using 140 degrees azimuth scan all day long, the resulting frame time is just too high. Instead you use narrower azimuth settings and move the scan area to where you need it (for example into the direction of a turn). This function is still not possible in the current version.
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