Weapons

[Yellonet]

What are the weapons we will be able to use with the Ka-50?

And will there be different ammo for the gun, and different types of rocket warheads and so on?

[GGTharos]

There are HE and AP/API rounds for the cannon. The weapons list includes VIKHR, B-8 and B-13 rockets as well as gunpods. Not sure about bombs .... and no, no R-73's or IGLAs ;)

[Yellonet]

There are HE and AP/API rounds for the cannon. The weapons list includes VIKHR, B-8 and B-13 rockets as well as gunpods. Not sure about bombs .... and no, no R-73's or IGLAs ;)

So that's all then? Cannon, one missile type and two rocket types? Maybe that's how it is in reality... :(

[GGTharos]

You can also get fuel tanks. I don't see what more you expected though ... the Ka-50 cannot launch Kh-25's for example (something about taking damage from the booster, or assymetric loading issues - I really don't recall)

[Yellonet]

You can also get fuel tanks. I don't see what more you expected though ... the Ka-50 cannot launch Kh-25's for example (something about taking damage from the booster, or assymetric loading issues - I really don't recall)

I'm not even sure what I mean myself :D I guess I just wanted to know if there were any more weapons available for the BS, the more the merrier :)

Anyway, does the B8 and B13 rockets have programmable fuses or optional warheads (HE, flechette...) or something like that? or do they only come in one flavour?

 

For instance, reading about the Hydra 70 rocket on Wikipedia reveals that it has a multitude of fusing and warhead options.

[Avimimus]

What about the S-24 and S-25? The S-24 could be fired from the Mi-24...

The hardpoints should also be able to handle standard bombs (KGMU, MBD-4, FAB-500 etc.)

 

We can add these weapons by modifying the editor, right?

[GGTharos]

I don't think the big rockets are cleared for carriage, or practical for a helicopter to use, but I have not checked if they are usable.

 

The biggest I've heard of for practical use is the B-13, which can also be used for underground bunker-busting (up to 2m, earth + concrete). I think the big rockets might be too dangerous for the helicopter itself, and ... very heavy.

[-akyla-]

:)arrrggg.. fuel tanks

[RedTiger]

I don't know how applicable this is to the sim, but there's a good listing of armament here:

 

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/ka-50.htm

 

It does list the capability to carry 4 500 kg bombs and, interestingly, 2 R-73s.

 

Is this info incorrect? If not, why no R-73s?

[Yellonet]

I don't know how applicable this is to the sim, but there's a good listing of armament here:

 

http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/row/ka-50.htm

 

It does list the capability to carry 4 500 kg bombs and, interestingly, 2 R-73s.

 

Is this info incorrect? If not, why no R-73s?

Shhhh! Don't say R-73... :P

[Geier]

Bombs are also available;)

[Mechanist]

I think the main question of this thread is still unanswered. Will there be different warheads on rockets or not?

[Esac_mirmidon]

Well, and how many types of weapons the Apache or the Cobra can load in " usual " combat sorties?. Again " usual ".

 

Hellfires ( ok different kind of guided hellfires ) and rockets plus the chain gun. The same more or less like the Hokum and nobody said nothing about USA couterparts.

[Geier]

I think the main question of this thread is still unanswered. Will there be different warheads on rockets or not?

For Ka50?

[Yellonet]

For Ka50?

Yes. Are there different warheads for the B-8 and B-13 rockets respectively?

[Mechanist]

For Ka50?

 

As the only flyable in DCS so far, yes.

[Yellonet]

Well, and how many types of weapons the Apache or the Cobra can load in " usual " combat sorties?. Again " usual ".

 

Hellfires ( ok different kind of guided hellfires ) and rockets plus the chain gun. The same more or less like the Hokum and nobody said nothing about USA couterparts.

As I mentioned earlier, the Hydra rockets which the Apache use exist with many different warheads and can be fused in many different ways, that means that it is a versatile weapon and therefore fun in a game.

[graywo1fg]

Its a Helo not a B-52 :P it cant carry That much. I think its a very versitile loadout and my definate use will be Vikkers and B-13's :)

[Mechanist]

As I mentioned earlier, the Hydra rockets which the Apache use exist with many different warheads and can be fused in many different ways, that means that it is a versatile weapon and therefore fun in a game.

 

Same as on the russian side. If the DCS going to be the most realistic sim for PC (as it advertised), there is a must. Without this, this sim is no better than a average FPS shooter, when you just shoot the gun but you don't have any idea if it is a JHP or an FMJ munition...

[Geier]

Yes. Are there different warheads for the B-8 and B-13 rockets respectively?

I suppose yes

[Esac_mirmidon]

Yes, the russian B-8 and B-13 can carry different kinds of warheads. This could be very interesting if we could choose between fragmentation, high explosive, armour piercing types of rockets.

 

We have this in FC with bombs and i think this could be not very difficult to model for rockets.

[Mechanist]

 

- S-8KOM Armor piercing

- S-8BM Anti runway

- S-8DM FAE

- S-8T "tandem warhead" armor piercing

- S-8DF FAE advanced

- S-8OM illuminating

- S-8PM chaff

- S-8CM marker

- S-8ASM "grape-shot"

- S-8L laser guided

 

 

- S-13T "tandem" FRAG/GP

- S-13-OF HE FRAG

- S-13D FAE

- S-13DF FAE Advanced

[Groove]

Here is the current beta armament:

 

Launcher / Weapon

 

Missiles

• APU-6 / 6 9A4172 Vikhr

Rockets

• B-8V20A4 / 20 S-8 KOM
  
• B-13L / 5 S-13 OF

Pods

• UPK-23-250 Machinegunpod

Bombs

• KMGU-2 / 96 AO-2.5 RT
  
• KMGU-2 / 99 PTAB-2.5 KO
  
• FAB - 250
  
• FAB - 500 M62

Fuel Tanks

• Fuel Tank

[Ditch3r]

Thank you Groove!

[Sundowner.pl]

Well, and how many types of weapons the Apache or the Cobra can load in " usual " combat sorties?. Again " usual ".

 

Hellfires ( ok different kind of guided hellfires ) and rockets plus the chain gun. The same more or less like the Hokum and nobody said nothing about USA couterparts.

Let's see, actually the USMCs AH-1s have more equipment, and actually everything a Cobra can use, the Apache can too, so:

 

Rockets:

Hydra-70 2,75" family launchers:

LAU-68 7-tube rocket pod (USMC/Navy)

LAU-69 19-tube rocket pod (USMC/Navy)

M260 7-tube rocket pod (Army)

M261 19-tube rocket pod (Army)

 

Zuni 5" launchers:

LAU-10 4-tube rocket pod (USMC/Navy)

 

Missiles:

AIM-9M/L Sidewinder (from LAU-7 launcher with ADU-299 adapter)

AGM-122 Sidearm (from LAU-7 launcher with ADU-299 adapter)

ATAS/ATAL

AGM-114A/B/C/K/L Hellfire/Longbow

BGM-71A/C/D/E TOW/TOW2

 

 

In case of Sidearm, the one that are still in stock are closing to their expiration date. As for the Zuni missiles, well I haven't seen them in a long time, probably they're still carried around on aircraft carriers, but I don't think those seen use in the last two conflicts. The LAU Hydra launchers are very similar to the Ms that Army use, but have special heat-resistant coating, that is essential for shipborne use. I won't go into Hydra/Zuni warheads, go to FAS.org for info about them.