Mission ideas for the Hind

[Yellonet]

...you know, for when we get it ;)

 

 

Mission: Insertion of Spetsnaz squad behind enemy lines.

Loadout: Standard loadout with rockets and AT-missiles.

 

I'm thinking that you'd fly in low to avoid any attention - initial enemy forces will consist of light AA systems that will be randomly spawned around the insertion area - load off the troops and head back, within a random time, let's say 2-4 minutes after the insertion, (when you're on your way back to base) the Spetsnaz squad will be under attack and will call in air support via radio, you'll hear this conversation, then (obviously :D) you'll be asked to go back and rescue the group, you'll go back in a hurry and hopefully find the friendlies still alive and kicking, blast the enemy and land to take the Spetsnaz aboard, you take off and head for home, followed by enemy aircraft now aware of your general location... will you make it back to safety?

 

Comments and other mission ideas are welcome.

[Avimimus]

In Afganistan hinds were regularly used as bombers up against fixed positions. Pilots also often landed their aircraft near the target area, got out, and partially reloaded their rocket pods (with ammunition from the storage bay).

 

Partrol missions could also be expected and escorting transport helicopters (or even transport aircraft during their takeoff and landing runs). In fact during some operations hind crews were apparently ordered to "take the bullet" for such aircraft if a Manpad lighted up.

 

It would be neat if infantry could spawn from earthworks or small objects (same thing goes for trucks and tanks). It might be a good idea to model Afganistan at some point as both red and blue have gotten bogged down there. It would probably require some kind of COIN engine though.

 

Another possible development of DCS could be a simulation modeling the Su-25, Mi-24, BMD and Infantry (albeit with less fidelity than ArmedA). But, this would be a long way off, wouldn't it?

[Yellonet]

In Afganistan hinds were regularly used as bombers up against fixed positions. Pilots also often landed their aircraft near the target area, got out, and partially reloaded their rocket pods (with ammunition from the storage bay).

 

Partrol missions could also be expected and escorting transport helicopters (or even transport aircraft during their takeoff and landing runs). In fact during some operations hind crews were apparently ordered to "take the bullet" for such aircraft if a Manpad lighted up.

 

It would be neat if infantry could spawn from earthworks or small objects (same thing goes for trucks and tanks). It might be a good idea to model Afganistan at some point as both red and blue have gotten bogged down there. It would probably require some kind of COIN engine though.

 

Another possible development of DCS could be a simulation modeling the Su-25, Mi-24, BMD and Infantry (albeit with less fidelity than ArmedA). But, this would be a long way off, wouldn't it?

So...where's your mission idea? :music_whistling:

[Jascha]

So...where's your mission idea?

Mission: Destroy the Death Star.

Load-out: X-Wing basic configuration

Description: Fly straight ahead and shoot in the big, black sphere in front of you

 

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Ok, seriously... What is the point of inventing and discussing missions for Hind right NOW?

 

Mi-24 isn't even (officially) in ED's plans yet. IF it will be released, then in 2 or 3 years I guess. Based on that, this thread is like "bla bla bla" talking without any point or whatsoever... We can discuss Star Wars missions as well here...

 

No hard feelings, just telling straight out what I think about it.

[Avimimus]

Well,

 

- The Mi-24 is declassified

- Among current users it has ~54% support for being the next helicopter addon vs. ~12% for second place)

- ED is likely to return to helicopters after doing a couple of fixed wing aircraft (there could well be an established rotorhead community that would whine otherwise).

 

So with the current schedule there is something like a 40% chance of seeing it in 2010! Which is more than good enough for me to start proposing ideas.

 

Yellownet, I will have an idea shortly.

[Yellonet]

Yellownet, I will have an idea shortly.

Great, can't wait to hear it :)

[warthogmadman987]

actually dude, if we had the ability to have missions like that I think I might go back to playing singleplayer:P

[amalahama]

Well,

 

- The Mi-24 is declassified

- Among current users it has ~54% support for being the next helicopter addon vs. ~12% for second place)

- ED is likely to return to helicopters after doing a couple of fixed wing aircraft (there could well be an established rotorhead community that would whine otherwise).

 

So with the current schedule there is something like a 40% chance of seeing it in 2010! Which is more than good enough for me to start proposing ideas.

 

Yellownet, I will have an idea shortly.

 

You miss the point: Mi-24 is an old helicopoter, and ED don't want to do old stuff... (A Mi-35 will be great, but I think it isn't so desclassified...)

 

Regards!!

[Yellonet]

actually dude, if we had the ability to have missions like that I think I might go back to playing singleplayer:P

I think we will have that ability with the DCS editor... minus the Mi-24 :cry:

[arneh]

You miss the point: Mi-24 is an old helicopoter, and ED don't want to do old stuff...

 

Looking at their history they certainly do model old stuff. Apart from the Ka-50 and Su-25T pretty much all aircraft they've model have been 20 years or older.

 

AH-64A: early 80s

A-10A: late 70s

F-15C: late 70s

Su-25: early 80s

Mig-29: early 80s

Su-27: mid 80s

 

Having a Mi-24V or Mi-24P from the early 80s wouldn't be out of place among those aircraft.

[amalahama]

Looking at their history they certainly do model old stuff. Apart from the Ka-50 and Su-25T pretty much all aircraft they've model have been 20 years or older.

 

AH-64A: early 80s

A-10A: late 70s

F-15C: late 70s

Su-25: early 80s

Mig-29: early 80s

Su-27: mid 80s

 

Having a Mi-24V or Mi-24P from the early 80s wouldn't be out of place among those aircraft.

 

You can't compare an Mi-24 from the early 80s with an AH-64A from the same period. The Apache has modern avionics whereas Mi-24 has post-WWII gun visors and same stuff. Mi-24 hasn't any MFD. Mi-24 hasn't IR or other sensors. So, Mi-24 is old stuff, even though both airframes were produced in the same era.

 

Regards!!!

[arneh]

You can't compare an Mi-24 from the early 80s with an AH-64A from the same period. The Apache has modern avionics whereas Mi-24 has post-WWII gun visors and same stuff.

 

Then compare it to the Su-25, and tell me how much more modern it is compared to the Mi-24. Sorry, I just don't buy that ED has a policy of only modelling modern aircraft, and hence wouldn't even consider the Hind. Not that I think it's likely they will model the Hind, but it's not because of some "only modern aircraft" policy.

 

And I wouldn't say the A-10A or AH-64A has modern avionics by any standard...

[GGTharos]

What would you consider 'modern' then? The F-15C for example has been constantly updated ... it's just that the opposition didn't quite keep up with updates for their own aircraft.

Aircraft such as the Raptor or Typhoon or Rafale are far too recent to have any solid info on them - so those aren't going to be modeled.

[arneh]

What would you consider 'modern' then?

 

I would have to say modern avionics means basicly a 'glass cockpit', i.e. that it primarily uses MFDs and not so much analog gauges. So all the new aircraft you mentioned, do of course have modern avionics. But also older aircraft like the F-16, F/A-18 and Mirage 2000 may qualify (this is not a hard classification, there are degrees of "modernity". And I'm not going to get into an argument over exactly which aircraft are modern or not, these are just examples).

 

Aircraft such as the Raptor or Typhoon or Rafale are far too recent to have any solid info on them - so those aren't going to be modeled.

 

Don't misunderstand what I'm saying. I'm not claiming ED should model only aircraft with modern avionics. Quite the contrary, I'm saying that they've always modeled aircraft with fairly old-style avionics, so the fact the the Hind doesn't have modern avionics is not in itself a reason why ED won't model it.

[Avimimus]

You can't compare an Mi-24 from the early 80s with an AH-64A from the same period. The Apache has modern avionics whereas Mi-24 has post-WWII gun visors and same stuff. Mi-24 hasn't any MFD. Mi-24 hasn't IR or other sensors. So, Mi-24 is old stuff, even though both airframes were produced in the same era.

 

Regards!!!

 

Yes, but that wouldn't have kept the Eastern Bloc from flying them into combat. Today they are still in use (and brand new ones are available for purchase). I think the Mi-24 had LLTV (observation only and without zoom?).

 

As Arneh pointed out the Su-25 is all analogue with a simple gunsight. Basically, the only major thing setting its avionics apart from earlier sturmoviks is that it has a few buttons that light up, a more modern RWR and a laser designator. No MFD, no MMD, no digital displays, a fairly simple RWR (RWRs existed in WW2)...

 

Now, if one considers that several countries have expressed interest in indefinite use of the hind, that there are numerous upgrades available and the following dates, I think you will see the argument against it collapses:

 

Mi-24D 1973 (production)

Mi-24V 1976 (production) Note: This is the variant that most people I.D. as the hind.

Mi-24P 1981 (production)

Mi-24P 1989 (end of production)

 

The Mi-24A was accepted in state trials in 1972. The Mi-24VP entered its short lived production run in 1985. The Mi-24M entered trials in 1999. As well as Mil, Bulgaria is developing its own upgrades, as is a plant in the Ukraine (AVIAKON), as is IAI, as is ATE...and you can still buy the old versions.

[RodrigoMF]

Brazilian Air Force, studies the Mi-35, for anti-narcotic missions.

 

The Super Tucanos intercepts the drug dealers planes and the Hinds, gives fire support and transport troops/policemen, when the target lands at and airstrip.

[Yellonet]

Both India and Pakistan use the Mi-24, so it fits in with the MiG-29 and F-16 for the idea of a future possible theater in that region.

[Flanker15]

Why wouldn't you want to model the Hind? I mean, come on it's the Hind for Pete's sake! The quint essential helicopter that everyone knows.

Edit:

I found this pic of a Hind model I've never seen before, it's surposed to be at an air show at Capetown.

 

Any more info on this model it looks like it has a FLIR ball on it?

[Sundowner.pl]

It's South African 'Super Hind Mk III'

 

http://www.militaryphotos.net/forums/showthread.php?t=76915

[Yellonet]

Wow... this thread really went off-topic :(

[Flanker15]

Thanks for the infos, Super Hind looks cool.

Ok I'll post a mission idea for a Hind that I've been thinking about.

1 or 2 Hinds armed with rockets and cannon pods.

Rebels in country "X" which is a former Soviet block have been mobilizing a force in a mountainous area. A primary staging area has been located by recon and your Hind squad has been sent in to clear the area and drop off spetnaz to secure intel. En route to the objective you come under attack from hidden manpads and light AAA hidden in the mountains which you must deal with in order to proceed unhindered. The staging area is protected by manpads, light AAA, light armor, infantry and 1-2 fast attack choppers on the ground. You have to clear the area of all hostiles including a group of trucks and jeeps that fleeing the objective. Then you land, let the spetnaz do their thing (which may or may not include a counterattack while you're on the ground) and RTB.

[Yellonet]

Thanks for the infos, Super Hind looks cool.

Ok I'll post a mission idea for a Hind that I've been thinking about.

1 or 2 Hinds armed with rockets and cannon pods.

Rebels in country "X" which is a former Soviet block have been mobilizing a force in a mountainous area. A primary staging area has been located by recon and your Hind squad has been sent in to clear the area and drop off spetnaz to secure intel. En route to the objective you come under attack from hidden manpads and light AAA hidden in the mountains which you must deal with in order to proceed unhindered. The staging area is protected by manpads, light AAA, light armor, infantry and 1-2 fast attack choppers on the ground. You have to clear the area of all hostiles including a group of trucks and jeeps that fleeing the objective. Then you land, let the spetnaz do their thing (which may or may not include a counterattack while you're on the ground) and RTB.

Sounds fun :thumbup:

[EricJ]

Besides, there weren't many Hind sims to begin with, with the only known one (or more popular I guess) was Digital Integration's Hind back in the long day ago.... A DCS touch wouldn't hurt...

[EvilBivol-1]

Mission ideas for the Hind:

 

Free hunt (look for/engage suspected enemy convoys)

 

CAS (support of ground combat operations)

 

Escort (friendly ground convoy)

 

Escort (helicopter assault)

 

Escort (SAR)

 

Interdiction (with both guided and unguided ammunition against enemy strongpoints and fortifications)

 

Mine laying

 

Recce

 

Oh yeah, I'm looking forward to making some Ka-50 single missions...

[martinistripes]

Hind -favourite aircraft of all time! So menacing (remember the Rambo movies?) and versatile in it's roles. I used to love playing Digital Integration's old game. Hot troop insertions and extractions are a hell of a lot of fun.

 

When I first saw Black Shark I thought this looks amazing, I only wish they'd done the Hind. Then thought, perhaps the next add-on but have now seen it's going to be the A10 then AH64. :cry: Yeah, yeah.. I know.. :smilewink: Just no pleasing some people!! lol

 

Black Sharks looking very special though and heli-sim players are LONG overdue something like this! So, good work ED!