pimp Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 Typically it’s not been more than a couple weeks for past releases. All new modules go through open beta first, but it's not always about the module. The actual OB version has to be stable enough to promote the code to the stable version. The current OB is a mess right now so there's no way of knowing when the next stable version will get updated. i9 14900k @5.6GHz NZXT Kraken |Asus ROG Strix Z790 A-Gaming | Samsung NVMe m.2 990 Pro 2TB | 64GB DDR5 6400MHz EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra | PiMAX CRYSTAL LIGHT | HOTAS Warthog | Saitek Flight Pedals
SpikeGondorff Posted April 9, 2020 Posted April 9, 2020 That's fair, I'm looking for a time frame for when that might be. Are we talking a few weeks or months? I'm trying to understand what it actually is that I've bought into by pre-purchasing Super Carrier. I was under the impression I'd bought early access to the module being released on a stable game. It's looking like I've accidentally bought into beta testing which I don't have the time to be a part of. Considering that the last Stable release was nearly 4 months ago, and that the JF-17 is still limited to Open Beta, I would guess it's going to be months rather than weeks. I hope I'm wrong, because I prefer Stable, but who knows. I'm expecting the worst and hoping for the best, but ED usually confirms my expectations.
Wali763 Posted April 10, 2020 Posted April 10, 2020 (edited) Hey, buddy. Would you do a test for me? Would you use the 'create a mission" feature, go to 'advanced' and then make sure all the unit settings on the right, for Red and Blue forces are set to MAX. Then, go into the Mission Editor and use the "Unit" feature and tell me how many total units there are.... and then fly the mission and give us a FPS performance report? I'm curious how a system like yours can handle 200/250+ units. I'm particularly curious how your rig performs when Red and Blue ground forces converge and start shooting at each other. My rig is only moderate in comparison to yours, but in 2.5.6, when ground forces start shooting, my FPS drop dramatically (this is when I'm flying the Hornet). In 2.5.5, this wasn't a problem. Thanks for considering this test. :thumbup: I did this test and the difference between stable (2.5.5) and OB is huge! In OB the mission I had 274 units and fps went down as low as 16fps, even mostly being around 20-25. In stable I had 251 units and the lowest fps I saw was around 48! Edited April 10, 2020 by Wali763
Viking 1-1 Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 That's fair, I'm looking for a time frame for when that might be. Are we talking a few weeks or months? I'm trying to understand what it actually is that I've bought into by pre-purchasing Super Carrier. I was under the impression I'd bought early access to the module being released on a stable game. It's looking like I've accidentally bought into beta testing which I don't have the time to be a part of. You don't have to do beta testing. You just use the non polished product. If you want to report bugs, you can. If don't, then don't. Before you call everything a "bug": RTFM & try again! Thank you. :music_whistling: I9-9900k, 32 GB RAM, Geforce RTX 2080 TI, 128 GB M2 SSD, 1 TB SSD, Track IR, Warthog Hotas
jasonbirder Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 You don't have to do beta testing. You just use the non polished product. Given stable users money is exactly the same value as open beta users money...having purchased the Supercarrier module - I'd expect that if ED can tell one set of users an approximate release date (currently 15th April) then they could give some indication to the others... I'm not expecting it to be the same date...I'm not even expecting it to be accurate...but a ROUGH estimate wouldn't seem too much to ask... Is it likely to be 2 weeks, 2 months, 6 months, a year or 2 years? (I appreciate this is sarcasm...Stable has essentially been abandoned hasn't it? New product sold & released ONLY to Beta IE: JF17, Supercarrier, no news or estimates on potential updates to Stable, no fixes to bugs introduced to stable in 2.5.5.4137 back in 2019 etc etc)
speed-of-heat Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 Open beta, is still under development, it’s earlier in the phase than, say early access on the stable build... it may be days, weeks or many months to get a product into early access on stable, it depends on what bugs are found in the beta, etc... SYSTEM SPECS: Hardware AMD 9800X3D, 64Gb RAM, 4090 FE, Virpil T50CM3 Throttle, WinWIng Orion 2 & F-16EX + MFG Crosswinds V2, Varjo Aero SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 11, VoiceAttack & VAICOM PRO YOUTUBE CHANNEL: @speed-of-heat
jasonbirder Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 That's fine...If that were the case I'd be the first to accept it... But IF ED had a plan to update stable on an ongoing basis...they'd let the community know...as it is a frequent bone of contention amongst the community... In the past, when stable was still actively supported ED would usually give an estimated timeframe for an update (typically 2 weeks after the previous beta...but occasionally longer when updates where consolidated into a single stable release or if there were unexpected problems)...BUT ED would communicate that... Currently not only will ED not give an estimated date for an update to stable...it won't give an estimate for when purchased products such as the JF17 will be made available in early access to users on stable...nor will ED confirm that there EVEN WILL BE an update to stable in a contemparary time frame...try asking them "will we see an update to stable in 2020" and you'll get - we don't want to answer that at this time No update this year, no timeframe for a future update, no timeframe for releases being actively sold etc etc It has the definate whiff of abandonware to me
Dagger71 Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) That's fine...If that were the case I'd be the first to accept it... But IF ED had a plan to update stable on an ongoing basis...they'd let the community know...as it is a frequent bone of contention amongst the community... In the past, when stable was still actively supported ED would usually give an estimated timeframe for an update (typically 2 weeks after the previous beta...but occasionally longer when updates where consolidated into a single stable release or if there were unexpected problems)...BUT ED would communicate that... Currently not only will ED not give an estimated date for an update to stable...it won't give an estimate for when purchased products such as the JF17 will be made available in early access to users on stable...nor will ED confirm that there EVEN WILL BE an update to stable in a contemparary time frame...try asking them "will we see an update to stable in 2020" and you'll get - we don't want to answer that at this time No update this year, no timeframe for a future update, no timeframe for releases being actively sold etc etc It has the definate whiff of abandonware to me The problem is a few really bad bugs where passed on to OB and they need to clear them all out before updating stable. Until OB gets polished and fixed, stable will remain the version it is currently on. It sucks but that is the choice you make. All new modules will always release on OB before stable. If you really want the latest and greatest, your option is to switch to OB. Remember that stable is always just an older Beta version. Edited April 12, 2020 by Dagger71
pimp Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 (edited) The problem is a few really bad bugs where passed on to OB and they need to clear them all out before updating stable. Until OB gets polished and fixed, stable will remain the version it is currently on. It sucks but that is the choice you make. All new modules will always release on OB before stable. If you really want the latest and greatest, your option is to switch to OB. Remember that stable is always just an older Beta version. Bro, save your breathe. I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. I've repeated the same dialog in a few previous pages about the same question of when is the SC going to stable. There's no more you, I, or even ED can say to explain this. I don't even use stable, but I do know it hasn't been updated in months. That should tell you what type of state the open beta is currently in. Edited April 12, 2020 by pimp i9 14900k @5.6GHz NZXT Kraken |Asus ROG Strix Z790 A-Gaming | Samsung NVMe m.2 990 Pro 2TB | 64GB DDR5 6400MHz EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra | PiMAX CRYSTAL LIGHT | HOTAS Warthog | Saitek Flight Pedals
Falby Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 The problem as I see it that they keep adding more content to OB updates before they've ironed out a lot of the bugs! Which is no doubt going to keep pushing back any release to stable. I'm ok with that as I'm patient enough to wait, as long as ED is patient enough to wait for any more money from me!
Vic Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 If you got the space on your computer why not run both. Skatezilla made an awesome GUI Utility which makes it so easy to switch between open beta and stable. I just copied and pasted my main dcs folder and renamed one open beta and copied and pasted my dcs saved games folder and renamed one open beta. Then I ran Skatezillas utility and picked the two folders I renamed open beta and updated them to the open beta version. Now I have the Stable version 2.5.5 and the Open beta version 2.5.6 and can switch between them anytime I want with the Skatezilla utility. He did all the work to make it soooo easy to switch. Thanks Skate!!
pimp Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 I don't know what is so hard to understand when my post was not even directed to you. Whoa. Hold on. I think you misunderstood my post. I was simply agreeing with you. There's no point is saying what we're both saying, which is the same thing, because people aren't understanding it. i9 14900k @5.6GHz NZXT Kraken |Asus ROG Strix Z790 A-Gaming | Samsung NVMe m.2 990 Pro 2TB | 64GB DDR5 6400MHz EVGA RTX 3090 FTW3 Ultra | PiMAX CRYSTAL LIGHT | HOTAS Warthog | Saitek Flight Pedals
Dagger71 Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 (edited) Whoa. Hold on. I think you misunderstood my post. I was simply agreeing with you. There's no point is saying what we're both saying, which is the same thing, because people aren't understanding it. Ha! ok I re-read it and totally misunderstood what you actually said initially! Edited April 13, 2020 by Dagger71
speed-of-heat Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 The problem as I see it that they keep adding more content to OB updates before they've ironed out a lot of the bugs! You understand what “beta” means right, or were you being ironic... SYSTEM SPECS: Hardware AMD 9800X3D, 64Gb RAM, 4090 FE, Virpil T50CM3 Throttle, WinWIng Orion 2 & F-16EX + MFG Crosswinds V2, Varjo Aero SOFTWARE: Microsoft Windows 11, VoiceAttack & VAICOM PRO YOUTUBE CHANNEL: @speed-of-heat
jasonbirder Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 I don't know why this is so hard for people to understand. I've repeated the same dialog in a few previous pages about the same question of when is the SC going to stable Its not just about Supercarrier though is it...thats not even released - so fair enough it can sit in OB as early release fora while before the stable "scrubs" get it... But what about the JF17, what about show-stopping bugs introduced in the December stable-updates, what about paid for DLC Campigns broken in the last stable update...that have had fixes created by their 3rd part developers... What sort of timescale do you feel is reasonable to wait for those? We're at 4 months with no end in sight...so what's OK...6 months? A year? At what point do you think ED ought to give some feedback as to an expected date for that? now? June 2020? Sept 2020? Later?
Flamin_Squirrel Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 I love ED's vision for DCS and am confident that they'll get there in the end, even if it's a bit of a long and bumpy road. I think people should be able to criticise where appropriate though, without ED's most dedicated fan base being like: :megalol::megalol:
DBFlyguy Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 I think people should be able to criticise where appropriate though, without ED's most dedicated fan base being like: :megalol::megalol: Now your just believing in fairy tales... especially when any type of warranted criticism/critique is magically deleted :lol: "Straighten up and fly right"
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