DmitriKozlowsky Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 There are no fuel pumps switches, no initial position and heading to put in into INS prior to alignment. FCS is just few buttons to push. Aircraft is really automated. In an emergency, bypassing all tests, and no alignment, it really is ; "Kick the tires, light the fires". Is that how they really are in the fleet?
razo+r Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 Well, except all the people who help the pilots with: Start-up, Taxi, Landing, Shut-down and emergencies, I guess yes?
DmitriKozlowsky Posted April 12, 2020 Author Posted April 12, 2020 I am a bit hazy on air-ground work. Wihout AG radar, and without TPOD, how does the Hornet get slant distance data for CCIP , gun strafe, or auto release , with no radar and EMCON ON? Is it purely INS and terrain elevation lookup? Yet with radar on SILent, EMCON ON. I have CCIP cross for MK-82 slicks and retarded, MK-20, and gun strafe with distance pipper. Where is the weapons solution coming from without sensors?
DmitriKozlowsky Posted April 12, 2020 Author Posted April 12, 2020 Well in DCS, ground crews are invisible, anb ATC is just a voice. On emergency recoveries, in DSC, there are no fire units rolling to meet you.
BuzzU Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 I'm hoping for ground crews someday. The Supercarrier shows us they can do it. Buzz
randomTOTEN Posted April 12, 2020 Posted April 12, 2020 INS isn't complete yet. There should be options for Normal align and Stored Heading at some point.
DmitriKozlowsky Posted April 13, 2020 Author Posted April 13, 2020 Incomplete startup , especially with regards to NAV, makes sense. With Mirage, AV-8B/NA, F/A-18C, A-10C , INS/GPS NAV systems are not so scary to me anymore. I just have minor PTSD from active duty in US Army (Field Artillery Branch, 13A MOS), and it wasn't from combat which I did not see. Never even deployed. So a war hero, I am not. Precision navigation and positioning was one of the areas I struggled in. I was puzzled how older NCO's and officers knew exactly where they were, all the time, and which azimuth they were looking in, without consultation of maps or compasses, and GPS receiver when we had one.
Tholozor Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 You may never have deployed, but your service is appreciated nonetheless, that's more than many can say for themselves. But yea, Hornet startup is pretty simple, most of the underlying subsystems are automated, I guess to prevent fiddling around in the pit while on the deck so there's less accidents. REAPER 51 | Tholozor VFA-136 (c.2007): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3305981/ Arleigh Burke Destroyer Pack (2020): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3313752/
Creepy Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 no initial position and heading to put in into INS prior to alignment... In an emergency, bypassing all tests, and no alignment, it really is ; "Kick the tires, light the fires"... Is that how they really are in the fleet? - Once the INS is fully fleshed out in the sim... you’ll want Waypoint 0 to be accurate or the alignment will take forever/maybe never get to an “OK”. - This is indeed how they are (Hornet and Rhino)... an Alert launch happens pretty quick. If you really wanted to, 14 individual button/switch movements (16 for launch bar up/down for a cat shot) is all it takes to get a flyable jet (no combat systems on).
DmitriKozlowsky Posted April 13, 2020 Author Posted April 13, 2020 (edited) Alert 5. 5 minutes from cold(or warm) on deck to in air ready to shoot. Do I have that right? Curious , how on civilian turbines, especially helicopters, the start up is careful and time consuming. To avoid hot starts or overtemps. In F/A-18C, it is all automated. But a hotstart or hangstart on alert aircraft is just as costly and more dangerous, in air defense emergency. During late 1980's and early 1990's when B-1B's were on Cold War alert, they had 1 hot button start. First guy to the ship slapped a large red reindeer nose on front gear strut in front of boarding ladder. By the time the crew were strapped in, engines were already turning.INS spun up. Go-NOGO orders and PAL codes were not even relayed until aircraft were safe distance from base. Under cruel tutelage of Master LeMay, B-52 crews were expected to be in air 10-15 minutes from alert. Cold War USAF definitely had its s**t together. It seemed to me that discipline and competency enforcement in all US Armed Services, were applied more stricter, during Cold War, then today. Edited April 13, 2020 by DmitriKozlowsky
launchedsquid Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 the natops manual has the proceedures for setting the alert aircraft, basically all the preflight stuff, the alignment and nav settings etc is already done, has to be redone at least every 4 hours, the pilot and crew only need to do the minimum to fire it up and get going.
Creepy Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 Alert 5 is airborne within 5 minutes from cold (e.g. if you’re not at the end of the cat stroke at 05+00 from the 1MC announcement, you’re late). Gotta love the FADEC. Makes it pretty easy when the jet tells you something is wrong... which is the point, why make the pilot worry about the little things if he doesn’t have to, more time for tactics. I can’t imagine all the things that happen during an alert bomber launch... it’s nice to be in a jet by myself.
Larkis Posted April 13, 2020 Posted April 13, 2020 I think it terms on role. The Mi8 need 3 persons and is a really click-switch-porn while the Huey is very very simplistic and very fast to start.
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