chief Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 Anyone notice this missile is still tracking through hills?
shaHeen-1 Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 Am usually never that low in BVR but was once killed by a Phoenix doing it last year. The guy even apologized in chat.
Tiger-II Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 Never noticed. Can the launch RADAR see through hills? Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot."
razo+r Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 There have been incidents before where different missiles were able to track through terrain aswell. Might be more to ED related than DIS
Harlikwin Posted May 11, 2020 Posted May 11, 2020 Never noticed. Can the launch RADAR see through hills? No. Radar lock routinely broken if someone flies into hills/behind hill. I think the fox3's might all be able to track through hills though once they go active. Been killed by a few phoenixes doing that. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).
Harker Posted May 12, 2020 Posted May 12, 2020 No. Radar lock routinely broken if someone flies into hills/behind hill. I think the fox3's might all be able to track through hills though once they go active. Been killed by a few phoenixes doing that.Same. I just had it happen today to a friend that I was spectating. The Phoenix straight up kept up with him with a mountain between them and got him when he re-emerged from behind the mountain. The vCVW-17 is looking for Hornet and Tomcat pilots and RIOs. Join the vCVW-17 Discord. F/A-18C, F-15E, AV-8B, F-16C, JF-17, A-10C/CII, M-2000C, F-14, AH-64D, BS2, UH-1H, P-51D, Sptifire, FC3 - i9-13900K, 64GB @6400MHz RAM, 4090 Strix OC, Samsung 990 Pro
Jester2138 Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 All DCS fox 3 missiles can occasionally track through terrain. It's an ED problem.
Tiger-II Posted May 13, 2020 Posted May 13, 2020 Huh. Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot."
dorianR666 Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 yes, its an old bug in DCS. i doubt deka can do anything about this one. CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 1600X GPU: AMD RX 580
L0op8ack Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 Planes can guide missile in mid course, when the missile go into end game, there's nothing we can do, it's all depend on missile seeker.
Drag80 Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 Correct me if I am wrong but I guess a missile can predict the path of target upto some extent. So if there is terrain between u and missile for a few seconds, may be it will roughly continue its flight path and re aquire as soon as the target re appears.
Tiger-II Posted May 14, 2020 Posted May 14, 2020 (edited) Correct me if I am wrong but I guess a missile can predict the path of target upto some extent. So if there is terrain between u and missile for a few seconds, may be it will roughly continue its flight path and re aquire as soon as the target re appears. It's possible a missile has a loiter mode of operation upon loss of target, but as far as avoiding terrain, they don't have the capability. It would require either an internal map and a radar altimeter, or INS positioning to know where the ground is. AFAIK they only know their relative position in space and the target data they pick up with the seeker. If you look at the cruise missiles with terrain-following capability, those things are huge and have more powerful computers onboard. Even JDAMs and glide bombs don't avoid terrain, but follow very simple GPS routes along a ballistic path. If they hit that big hill you didn't account for, so be it. Edited May 14, 2020 by Tiger-II Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot."
L0op8ack Posted May 15, 2020 Posted May 15, 2020 I think this problem is caused by define missile as self homing, self homing missiles have terrain avoidance feature built-in.
nighthawk2174 Posted May 15, 2020 Posted May 15, 2020 Tracking through terrain has been an issue for DCS missile for a long time the SD10 much most other radar missiles in the game suffers from this. Just got to wait for ED to fix it there's nothing on deka's end that they can do to fix this.
Harlikwin Posted May 15, 2020 Posted May 15, 2020 I think this problem is caused by define missile as self homing, self homing missiles have terrain avoidance feature built-in. I think what you are saying is that the way DCS defines these missiles they all have some terrain avoidance? If true ED missile modeling is more of a soup-sammich than I thought. Because no AAM in the world has that to my knowledge. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).
Coxy_99 Posted May 15, 2020 Posted May 15, 2020 Most missiles track through hills and fly through them ED bug report it there.
L0op8ack Posted May 15, 2020 Posted May 15, 2020 I think what you are saying is that the way DCS defines these missiles they all have some terrain avoidance? If true ED missile modeling is more of a soup-sammich than I thought. Because no AAM in the world has that to my knowledge. maybe ED guys re-use AS missile's self homing logic, but forget comment TA in AA ones. :)
Tiger-II Posted May 16, 2020 Posted May 16, 2020 Uhh... LOL?! :D I'm going to try using SD-10 as anti-ship missile... Motorola 68000 | 1 Mb | Debug port "When performing a forced landing, fly the aircraft as far into the crash as possible." - Bob Hoover. The JF-17 is not better than the F-16; it's different. It's how you fly that counts. "An average aircraft with a skilled pilot, will out-perform the superior aircraft with an average pilot."
Harlikwin Posted May 16, 2020 Posted May 16, 2020 Uhh... LOL?! :D I'm going to try using SD-10 as anti-ship missile... Actually ive had sparrows on the f14 hit ships before. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).
TLTeo Posted May 16, 2020 Posted May 16, 2020 That's somewhat realistic though. Ships have a huge radar cross sections and the AWG-9 can easily lock on them, so why not. AA missiles having a terrain avoidance mode on the other hand...
Harlikwin Posted May 17, 2020 Posted May 17, 2020 Yeah, I don't disagree about the weird sparrow shot. It happened right after the F14 was released, and I haven't seen it again so maybe it got fixed. And again, perhaps not entirely unrealistic, it was a tanker to boot. but yeah, terrain avoidance though... New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).
Harlikwin Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 Speaking of avoidance problems. I have a tacview of an SD10 that literally avoids a target at the last second, and then flies in formation with it for a little while. New hotness: I7 9700k 4.8ghz, 32gb ddr4, 2080ti, :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, HP Reverb (formermly CV1) Old-N-busted: i7 4720HQ ~3.5GHZ, +32GB DDR3 + Nvidia GTX980m (4GB VRAM) :joystick: TM Warthog. TrackIR, Rift CV1 (yes really).
Chiron Posted May 18, 2020 Posted May 18, 2020 i saw SD-10 doing scissor maneuver with his target and lost energy lol
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