Please, remove unnecessary liveries from DCS builds. Put them in separate packs

[SharpeXB]

45 minutes ago, Kercheiz said:

When an anti-cheat mechanism is not effective (if you want to cheat aircraft visibility, you can hack with ReShade, which can't be IC checked) and increases the base game size by 50GB for everyone, it's not a good idea...

Now count the VRAM GB $ cost of those liveries. It's not a secret, VRAM use explodes in multiplayer, while terrain is the same. That's not 1.60$ for 50GB

(And wait the evolution of that 50GB figure in one year...)

 

It’s a core part of the game. This is a flight simulator and you’re asking to remove one of the chief graphic features of the aircraft themselves.

Plus again it can be cheating. Some of these games block the shading injectors too since those can be a cheat as well. Probably DCS should too. 

Edited November 8, 2023 by SharpeXB

[Exorcet]

2 hours ago, Kercheiz said:

Or, if you want to leave all liveries, having a light, low detail aircraft (model and textures) that can be upgraded to a high detail version on demand.

 

Yeah this is another idea, and it addresses the issue that some have brought up with mismatched liveries in MP. If there are low res versions of liveries, they could be downloaded instead to save space while basically looking exactly the same as high res when spotting other planes.

[diego999]

4 hours ago, Kercheiz said:

Or, if you want to leave all liveries, having a light, low detail aircraft (model and textures) that can be upgraded to a high detail version on demand.

I don't need having rivets modeled on the stuff I destroy, only on the aircraft I fly.

 

This.

With the new spotting system in VR I can only see darks blobs that I can't even notice which way they're going.

Do we really need 50GB of high resolution liveries for them?

[SharpeXB]

You guys keep saying 50GB is a lot of space like it’s 2012

[WinterH]

1 hour ago, SharpeXB said:

You guys keep saying 50GB is a lot of space like it’s 2012

It is, that it may not be for you, or even the majority, is nice for y'all, and is also besides the point.

[Northstar98]

3 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

You guys keep saying 50GB is a lot of space like it’s 2012

Welp, that's 2 shots, let's see how long you keep this up.

[MAXsenna]

Welp, that's 2 shots, let's see how long you keep this up.

Careful North! Careful!

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[Northstar98]

13 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

Careful North! Careful!

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[Exorcet]

3 hours ago, Northstar98 said:

Welp, that's 2 shots, let's see how long you keep this up.

I can already hear the the Spitfires

[SharpeXB]

6 hours ago, WinterH said:

It is, that it may not be for you, or even the majority, is nice for y'all, and is also besides the point.

You can get a 2TB SSD for as little as $65. Literally about the cheapest component of a machine that could run DCS. 
 

3 hours ago, Northstar98 said:

Welp, that's 2 shots, let's see how long you keep this up.

[WinterH]

1 minute ago, SharpeXB said:

You can get a 2TB SSD for as little as $65. Literally about the cheapest component of a machine that could run DCS. 

Irrelevant, I might have spent my existing budget on other bits of the computer, or on another peripheral, or on modules, or, indeed, blackjack and hookers. What matters is, it is an item of not insignificant size for many budgets where the available moolah is indeed limited, for this or that reason. And thus, it competes with other such things for such budgets.

Once again, "storage is cheap" meme needs to take a step back, a pretty long one at that. It isn't so for some of us, and even if it is, that is not the only reason people want liveries to stop causing a runaway disk occupation. Having to sacrifice this or that important software just so I can do every large sim update got old quite some time ago.

[MAXsenna]

10 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

You can get a 2TB SSD for as little as $65. Literally about the cheapest component of a machine that could run DCS. 

It's not the point, and you know it!

 

[SharpeXB]

9 minutes ago, WinterH said:

What matters is, it is an item of not insignificant size for many budgets where the available moolah is indeed limited

If $65-$100 is a significant amount to anyone, they should maybe re-examine life’s priorities and consider improving their situation rather than worrying about computer games. 

9 minutes ago, MAXsenna said:

It's not the point, and you know it!

That is the point

[WinterH]

1 minute ago, SharpeXB said:

If $65-$100 is a significant amount to anyone, they should maybe re-examine life’s priorities and consider improving their situation rather than worrying about computer games. 

Maybe so, maybe not, what's certain is, others' life priorities fit pretty well into "none of your business" category. And again, many of us are concerned with the storage footprint of liveries regardless of availability or affordability of it.

[SharpeXB]

1 minute ago, WinterH said:

many of us are concerned with the storage footprint of liveries regardless of availability or affordability of it.

When you say “regardless of availability or affordability” that makes no sense. It seems more like worrying about nothing. I don’t think ED should base their decisions around that. 

[Exorcet]

15 minutes ago, WinterH said:

Maybe so, maybe not, what's certain is, others' life priorities fit pretty well into "none of your business" category. And again, many of us are concerned with the storage footprint of liveries regardless of availability or affordability of it.

Absolutely. Even if one can afford a drive, the idea that getting a new one is some kind of be all "solution" is ridiculous. No reasonable person is going to want to throw away money to solve something that could be resolved for free. Looking beyond money, having the option to free up space with a few clicks is far easier than going out and getting a new drive and then installing it, if you even can install it which may or may not be difficult given hardware and your current situation.

[Lurker]

21 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

If $65-$100 is a significant amount to anyone, they should maybe re-examine life’s priorities and consider improving their situation rather than worrying about computer games. 

Can you be more condescending? Is that even possible? What kind of person posts things like this? 

[Northstar98]

50 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

You can get a 2TB SSD for as little as $65. Literally about the cheapest component of a machine that could run DCS.

Do you know how much it costs to delete files you don't need?

8 minutes ago, Exorcet said:

Absolutely. Even if one can afford a drive, the idea that getting a new one is some kind of be all "solution" is ridiculous. No reasonable person is going to want to throw away money to solve something that could be resolved for free. Looking beyond money, having the option to free up space with a few clicks is far easier than going out and getting a new drive and then installing it, if you even can install it which may or may not be difficult given hardware and your current situation.

Absolutely, freaking, this.

[SharpeXB]

4 minutes ago, Lurker said:

Can you be more condescending? Is that even possible? What kind of person posts things like this? 

Well if people ask ED to curtail or complicate the development of the game for everyone else because they can’t afford simple things… or due to misplaced worry about nothing, what other answer would you expect? This is a luxury pastime. It’s not food or medical care. If you can’t afford it, there are other more important things in life. 
This is like asking ED to stop making aircraft or maps cause you can’t afford to buy them or a computer. Fine. Don’t buy them. The game has hardware specs, deal with it. Welcome to PC gaming. 

[Exorcet]

3 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Well if people ask ED to curtail or complicate the development of the game for everyone else

 

Just so you're aware of what you look like.

[SharpeXB]

5 minutes ago, Exorcet said:

 

Just so you're aware of what you look like.

Someone has to be the devils advocate

[Exorcet]

Just now, SharpeXB said:

Someone has to be the devils advocate

The point of which is to foster thought over possibly unforeseen negative consequences. You're not doing that. You're just ignoring everyone else.

[SharpeXB]

9 minutes ago, Exorcet said:

The point of which is to foster thought over possibly unforeseen negative consequences. You're not doing that. You're just ignoring everyone else.

Let’s see if we can get to three pages over $1 of hard drive space

[Northstar98]

13 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Well if people ask ED to curtail or complicate the development of the game for everyone else because they can’t afford simple things… or due to misplaced worry about nothing, what other answer would you expect? This is a luxury pastime. It’s not food or medical care. If you can’t afford it, there are other more important things in life.

I have plenty of storage.

Why should I fill it up with stuff I don't need?

14 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

This is like asking ED to stop making aircraft or maps cause you can’t afford to buy them or a computer.

Oh really Sharpe, is it?

I take it you think the module manager is curtailing and complicating the development of the game, effectively asking ED and other developers to stop making modules, maps and campaigns?

10 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Someone has to be the devils advocate

Oh so you're actually in favour of this, then? And are just arguing against it, for, reasons?

[BIGNEWY]

Threads merged

Folks keep it civil, if you are just here to troll please move on. 

thank you