reported Communicate with AI Wingman-4

[apolloace]

In SP missions, with 3 AI wingmans, how do you communicate with wingman-4.

 

I am communicating with wingman-3 to engage a target, but wingman-4 does not follow his lead(wingman-3). He continues as it is.

I do not use the Flight command as I want wingman-2 to stay with me.

 

:helpsmilie:

[apolloace]

3 days and 57 views later still no answer from ED!

 

IS THIS THE "NEW NORMAL"? :mad:

[apolloace]

Still no reply. :(

Can anyone confirm : Is this a real bug or things are supposed to be this way?? :helpsmilie:

[REDEYE_CVW-66]

It might be just a bug. No 4 is lead by no 3 (Element lead). I suggest checking to see if he does what you tell him, for example to engage, and as long as 3 replies, check if he actually does it.

 

But wingman comms are chock-full of bugs and logical problems and have been for ages.

 

Example- grab a flight of Spitfires and engage bandits- and one of the wingman will say "2, engaging bandits...2 engaging bandits..2 engaging bandits.. 2 en..." constantly, all the way to the mission stops.(Even if the bandits are killed and the engagement is over).

 

It has been like this for months and months.

[Ironhand]

It might just be an artifacy of the way I use the wingmen but I don't recall ever seeing them fly as elements. Rather they just fly as a loose collection of individuals that you command. Or that's been my impression. If true, then it's really not a bug but, rather, a missing feature.

[apolloace]

It might just be an artifacy of the way I use the wingmen but I don't recall ever seeing them fly as elements. Rather they just fly as a loose collection of individuals that you command. Or that's been my impression. If true, then it's really not a bug but, rather, a missing feature.

 

But how can you do basic comms with AI Wingman-4, like the other 2 wingman?

[Ironhand]

But how can you do basic comms with AI Wingman-4, like the other 2 wingman?

 

There is no wingman 4. There is just you and 3 wingmen. You are the first aircraft in the flight as flight leader, the 2nd aircraft is wingman #1, the third aircraft is wingman 2, and the fourth aircraft is wingman 3.

[apolloace]

There is no wingman 4. There is just you and 3 wingmen. You are the first aircraft in the flight as flight leader, the 2nd aircraft is wingman #1, the third aircraft is wingman 2, and the fourth aircraft is wingman 3.

 

Ok, I am the 1st aircraft of a four ship formation.

I give command to wingman 2 : the 2nd aircraft reacts.

I give command to wingman 3 : the 3rd aircraft reacts.

 

But how do you communicate with the 4th aircraft then?? There are no commands.

 

The 4th aircraft does not react until & unless I press F1 for the whole flight. Then everybody reacts and it messes up the formation.

 

I want the 3rd & 4th aircraft to go search for bandits, and 2nd aircraft to stay with me(the lead).

How do I do that??

[Ironhand]

Ok, I am the 1st aircraft of a four ship formation.

I give command to wingman 2 : the 2nd aircraft reacts.

I give command to wingman 3 : the 3rd aircraft reacts.

 

But how do you communicate with the 4th aircraft then?? There are no commands.

 

The 4th aircraft does not react until & unless I press F1 for the whole flight. Then everybody reacts and it messes up the formation.

 

I want the 3rd & 4th aircraft to go search for bandits, and 2nd aircraft to stay with me(the lead).

How do I do that??

That's different from what I see. Each wingman takes commands. However, when it comes to engaging bandits, they fly as individuals. So you need to give the command to each one. 4 will not follow 3. You have to send 3, then send 4. Otherwise 4 will move to a position off your wing and remain there. The AI is, for the time being, lacking.

[apolloace]

That's different from what I see. Each wingman takes commands. However, when it comes to engaging bandits, they fly as individuals. So you need to give the command to each one. 4 will not follow 3. You have to send 3, then send 4. Otherwise 4 will move to a position off your wing and remain there. The AI is, for the time being, lacking.

 

"You have to send 3, then send 4."

 

Well how do you send 4? Which command?

 

If you use F1 for Flight, you send all of them.

 

Then have to call back the ones you need to stay with the formation.

 

Really irritating. Surely the AI is way behind the whole sim.

[Ironhand]

"You have to send 3, then send 4."

 

Well how do you send 4? Which command?

 

If you use F1 for Flight, you send all of them.

 

Then have to call back the ones you need to stay with the formation.

 

Really irritating. Surely the AI is way behind the whole sim.

??? I simply select the wingman I want to command and, then, select the appropriate option(s) from his menu tree. Unfortunately, I’m not at my computer right now so I can’t give you the specifics. This works when the AI is aware of the enemy.

 

If the enemy’s presence is not known, about the only thing you can do is tell wingman 3 to continue the mission. Interestingly, in this situation, wingman 4 will go with him. They will continue to follow the mission waypoints while you and your wingman do something else.

[rayrayblues]

There is no wingman 4. There is just you and 3 wingmen. You are the first aircraft in the flight as flight leader, the 2nd aircraft is wingman #1, the third aircraft is wingman 2, and the fourth aircraft is wingman 3.

 

Dude, read what Ironman said.

[Ironhand]

Dude, read what Ironman said.

 

:) We were speaking two different languages. I think we’re using the same one now.

[Flappie]

Can you please provide a little more detail? We don't know the aircraft you're flying nor the mission you've seen the issue happening.

Or is your problem solved?

[apolloace]

Can you please provide a little more detail? We don't know the aircraft you're flying nor the mission you've seen the issue happening.

Or is your problem solved?

 

No the problem is not solved.

 

"Lack of Wingman Command" issues are general.

 

Agree with Ironman, there is no point in arguing, when you are not able get your point across.

[Ironhand]

No the problem is not solved.

...there is no point in arguing, when you are not able get your point across.

I don't think anyone is arguing. Just not sure where the problem lies. If you would be so kind, record a short track using the Caucasus map (because everyone has that). Don't know what aircraft you own but, hopefully, it's one that I own (avoid the WWII warbirds except for the P-47--that one I have) demonstrating the issue. Then tell use what you were trying to do. That way we can view the disconnect.

[Exorcet]

The problem is that you have 3 wingmen but only 2 F10 options to select indivdual aircraft in your flight. I have the same issue, but given all the limitations of AI currently I never looked into it very deeply.

 

 

DCS somewhere at sometime did provide the option to communicate with all wingmen but this was either changed, or limited to certain modules. I remember with the A-10 you could give orders to your second element but I don't recall seeing this on any other module.

 

 

The comm options are a bit of a mess in need of a fix.

[apolloace]

The problem is that you have 3 wingmen but only 2 F10 options to select indivdual aircraft in your flight. I have the same issue, but given all the limitations of AI currently I never looked into it very deeply.

 

 

DCS somewhere at sometime did provide the option to communicate with all wingmen but this was either changed, or limited to certain modules. I remember with the A-10 you could give orders to your second element but I don't recall seeing this on any other module.

 

 

The comm options are a bit of a mess in need of a fix.

 

Could not have said it better.

 

Maybe, I put it in a complicated way :doh:, but Exorcet simplified it.

[Flappie]

You guys could do a little effort. I've asked what aircraft you were flying and you didn't answer. But I'm patient. I've just tested all the aircraft I own on the release version. My goal was to make Wingman 4 to get back to base. Here are the results:

 

Player manages his own wingman (W2) as an individual and the "second element" (W3 + W4) as a group :

 

The following aircraft had W3 and W4 getting back to base when I asked the "second element" to do so.

 

• A-10C
  
• AJS37
  
• C-101CC
  
• C-101EB
  
• MiG-15bis
  
• TF-51D
  
• F-14B (it says "Wingman 2" instead of Wingman, and "Wingman 3" instead of Second element)
  

Player manages his 3 wingmen (W2, W3 and W4) as individuals

 

The following aircraft had only W4 getting back to base when I asked "Wingman 4" to do so.

 

• AV-8B
  
• M-2000C
  
• A-10AF-15C
  
• MiG-29A
  
• MiG-29S
  
• Su-25
  
• Su-25T
  
• Su-27
  
• Su-33
  

Now, could you please tell me in which aircraft your wingman 4 is not responding to your 'Engage' orders?

 

And what is the target, by the way? Air to Ground ? Air to Air ?

Edited July 5, 2020 by Flappie

[apolloace]

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Now, could you please tell me in which aircraft your wingman 4 is not responding to your 'Engage' orders?

 

And what is the target, by the way? Air to Ground ? Air to Air ?

 

I was flying the Hornet. It was an A-A Mission.

[stormrider]

The problem is that you have 3 wingmen but only 2 F10 options to select indivdual aircraft in your flight. I have the same issue, but given all the limitations of AI currently I never looked into it very deeply.

 

 

DCS somewhere at sometime did provide the option to communicate with all wingmen but this was either changed, or limited to certain modules. I remember with the A-10 you could give orders to your second element but I don't recall seeing this on any other module.

 

 

The comm options are a bit of a mess in need of a fix.

+1

[JohnRedcorn]

I have noticed that wingman number 4 is absent in radio menu of Mi-24P. I can still contact it when I give an order to the whole group, but I can't contact it separately. There is only wingman 2 and wingman 3 in radio menu, but no sign of wingman 4.

Now I'm not sure if this is a problem of Mi-24P or its a core game problem? I noticed it yesterday while flying a mission for Mi-24P which was created a lot of versions ago and was working well till the last update.

So it might be that the radio menu is broken for all aircrafts.

[Raffi75]

3 hours ago, JohnRedcorn said:

I have noticed that wingman number 4 is absent in radio menu of Mi-24P. I can still contact it when I give an order to the whole group, but I can't contact it separately. There is only wingman 2 and wingman 3 in radio menu, but no sign of wingman 4.

Now I'm not sure if this is a problem of Mi-24P or its a core game problem? I noticed it yesterday while flying a mission for Mi-24P which was created a lot of versions ago and was working well till the last update.

So it might be that the radio menu is broken for all aircrafts.

I checked it myself and everything works fine.

 

[JohnRedcorn]

6 hours ago, Raffi75 said:

I checked it myself and everything works fine.

Well, help me find it then, because I don't see it.

 

Mi24PTraining.miz

Mi24P_Wingman4_absent.trk

 

Anyway. I'll leave the mission and the track there in case if some of the devs or testers will check it out.

This mission was created a lot of versions ago and it was working well till two versions ago. I didn't checked it in the previous version, so I don't know if this bug appeared in a currnet verson or it was also in the previous version. But two versions ago everything was fine.

Now I know that it might be something in the mission because it is old, but this bug can affect some comercial campaign modules because they were also created in older version of the game and / or mission editor. So it worth devs investigation.

Edited February 24 by JohnRedcorn

[Raffi75]

21 hours ago, JohnRedcorn said:

Well, help me find it then, because I don't see it.

 

Mi24PTraining.miz 36.3 kB · 1 download

Mi24P_Wingman4_absent.trk 1.48 MB · 0 downloads

 

Anyway. I'll leave the mission and the track there in case if some of the devs or testers will check it out.

This mission was created a lot of versions ago and it was working well till two versions ago. I didn't checked it in the previous version, so I don't know if this bug appeared in a currnet verson or it was also in the previous version. But two versions ago everything was fine.

Now I know that it might be something in the mission because it is old, but this bug can affect some comercial campaign modules because they were also created in older version of the game and / or mission editor. So it worth devs investigation.

I took the liberty of downloading this mission and checking how the radio menu works. As you can see below, everything works correctly in my case. Both the main menu and the menu for wingman no. 4 in both radio stations. I have assigned shortcuts to the joystick. Check how it is in your case. Maybe it will help.