CBU-103/105 question

[sirrah]

Only recently started to try and wrap my head around how to use the 103 and 105 CBU's

 

If I understand it correctly, these are pretty much exactly the same as the 87 and 97, except that the 103 and 105 are GPS guided.

 

Also, the 103 and 105 can't be dropped in CCIP mode.

 

Although I understand the advantage of the GPS guidance (e.g. wind corrections, correcting aiming errors), I was wondering. Is it somehow still possible to drop these bombs without using the tgp?

 

I mean, yesterday I was flying a mission and suddenly detected an enemy armored column right beneath me. What would be the quickest way to drop a 105 on them? So without having to first create proper distance, re-establish visual on the target, center my tgp on the target, fly in straight, keep pickle button pressed for a while. With the 87 and 97 I could simple roll in, put the pipper somewhere over the target (hey it's clusters anyways) and hit the pickle button.

 

Why isn't CCIP allowed for the 103 and 105?

Edited August 19, 2020 by sirrah

[razo+r]

Mark their location with that box on the HUD, make it SPI and voila.

 

Or create a markpoint on the HSD and make that one SPI

[sirrah]

Mark their location with that box on the HUD, make it SPI and voila.

 

Or create a markpoint on the HSD and make that one SPI

 

Still, that's more complicated than just roll in, aim pipper and drop bombs

 

Why is CCIP not allowed for these bombs? I mean, what's the reason why these bombs don't have CCRP and CCIP mode, just like regular bombs? (not trolling here, honestly curious)

[QuiGon]

Because their guidance system needs an actual target point to fly to. With CCIP there is no such target point.

 

You don't need a TGP though. There are many ways to create a target point (SPI), be it through HUD designation, or designation on the TAD or by using a steerpoint as target.

[sirrah]

Thanks guys :thumbup:

 

I guess making a SPI in the HUD will indeed be the closest it gets to using CCIP then and the quickest way to get the weapon on a nearby visual target

[razo+r]

Still, that's more complicated than just roll in, aim pipper and drop bombs

 

Why is CCIP not allowed for these bombs? I mean, what's the reason why these bombs don't have CCRP and CCIP mode, just like regular bombs? (not trolling here, honestly curious)

 

Well, no. You roll in, put the HUD marker, make it SPI and then drop it. Everything possible while diving. Takes just a few seconds to set up.

[QuiGon]

Thanks guys :thumbup:

 

I guess making a SPI in the HUD will indeed be the closest it gets to using CCIP then and the quickest way to get the weapon on a nearby visual target

Curious question: Why don't you just take the 87 or 97 instead. The WCMDs (103 & 105) aren't really intended for this kind of employment. :huh:

[sirrah]

Curious question: Why don't you just take the 87 or 97 instead. The WCMDs (103 & 105) aren't really intended for this kind of employment. :huh:

 

I know, but as said in my OP, I stumbled upon some additional targets and thought why not killing them while I'm here. There were some enemy cap flights "closing" in, so I didn't want to stay there for too long :)

 

 

(Liberation campaign truely is awesome :thumbup::pilotfly:)

[Frederf]

Use DTC in TVV, fly onto target, designate and make SPI. Also CBO-103/105 no GPS.

[Yurgon]

Because their guidance system needs an actual target point to fly to. With CCIP there is no such target point.

 

Come to think of it, it would be great to have the option to drop them dumb, just like a GBU-12 could be dropped on a ballistic profile. Sure, it'll be only as precise as a dumb bomb and the guidance kit will be wasted, but even the A-10 can't take on all the weapons pilots might like to use all at the same time. ;)

 

An option to set up a CBU-103 and CBU-105 CCIP profile in the DSMS would be great, but I have no idea whether it would be realistic.

 

[...] except that the 103 and 105 are GPS guided.

 

Actually they have their own INS, but they don't have GPS receivers, so technically they're not GPS guided. :smartass:

[sirrah]

 

Actually they have their own INS, but they don't have GPS receivers, so technically they're not GPS guided. :smartass:

 

I just stupidly quoted some YT tutorial on that :doh: