Vulching....

[cool_t]

Hi again,

 

This thread is specificaly designed to ask our comunity about "Vulching" and how we all feel about it.

 

There are a few points I would like to point out and or shed light on the subject of Vulching.

 

In my opinion.

 

1. Vulching is perfictly "Legal" in the LOMAC "War" enviroment. There should be "No Quarter" for bandits on the tarmac.

 

2. Getting to an enemy air base is very hard to do. There are multiple dangers, SAMs, bandits, and the fact that you might not return to base.

 

3. Reguardless of weather or not you agree or dissagree for Vulching in the LOMAC enviroment there are "Exploits" that far excede the Vulching issue and a pilots ability to get to an enemy air base.

[X-man]

Vulching is totally legal on our server. It's up to the mission building to stop it (eg. by SAM network). If you land anywhere thats not your homeplate, you should not be safe. Ive been in situation where people land at FEBA on some airbase and then just refuels, rearms and shoots down whoever's above them.

[Highwayman-Ed]

Noti and I used to do it when we could on the servers allowed it, but the difference for us was that we were flying A-10's, so it took as twice as long, and had double the danger from the enemy fighters :D

[cool_t]

Noti and I used to do it when we could on the servers allowed it, but the difference for us was that we were flying A-10's, so it took as twice as long, and had double the danger from the enemy fighters :D

 

Right on, the worst is when you just start you run in on an enemy air base to take-em all out.

[cool_t]

Vulching is cool.

 

Most missions have more than one airfiled you can take off from as well.

 

Very nice, You have got me on the ground plenty of times S! "GK"

 

:thumbup:

[xplight]

Vulching is cool.

+500

 

If you get vulched, it mean that you was slipping and lost Air Defence...

[Boberro]

YES for vulching! It is so exciting when you attack enemy even on ground - it is mean enemy Air Defence is crap ^^, and more and more is funny when Su-25T come near runway and begin its Vihrs fireworks :D

[Yeniceri]

nothing beats after a long ride and finding those "fastmovers" helpless and start pounding them :)

[aviadreams87]

Yes... if one can survive the enemy's Air Defenses near their airbases..

 

It's like a prize after doing a great teamwork with the SEAD flights and surviving the SAM/AAA onslaught maybe. ;)

[MadTommy]

"vulching is cool".... errr no its cheap.

 

I agree it's up to the server rules and map design, but to say its cool is errrm.. very sad. I'd say its best left for people who cant get kills in the air. Why stoop so low?

[Mustang]

Hey :D how about when someone flies to your base, theres no a2a opposition cause both of the jets are parked, makes a single pass spray and pray with guns, hits you with 1 or 2 bullets and kamikazes into you?

 

all because that person knows that the SAMs will rip him apart and he won't get another chance at another gun run.......and after all that demands you say GK to him afterwards "because its was hard to get past all the fighters and SAMs" :D

[mvsgas]

I have no problem with it, but some time guys are trying to dog fight and can not because all the aircraft are being destroyed in the ground by one or two guys and can not take off. I gotten used to being shoot down or vulching. If I get frustrated with it I just move on.

[GGTharos]

With bases being close, and SAM defense inadequate due to both AI problems and usually mission design problems also (not to mention attrition when the sides are horribly uneven) any type of vulching is definitely -not- a good kill. Only perhaps in bigger organized events, though I doubt you'd be likely to catch any fighters on the ground there.

 

Demanding to hear 'GK' after vulching is like asking the other team to tell you you played well when you scored a bunch of goals in an empty net before you've even arrived. Or maybe while only one or two of the other team are present ... there's your 'SAM defenses'.

 

Vulching is cheap. It happens, it's part of it all, but it's still cheap.

[Geier]

See the enemy landing/taking off? Don't think - kill'em all!;)

[Boberro]

Cheap or not - it is effective and that is the point! :D

[169th_Maverick]

vulching is the way to go as long as ur not on the receiving end on it. lol Seriously though, do it!!!!

[Grimes]

I generally try not to push to far into an enemy homeplate however if I were to stumble across a player landing at an unguarded airfield in the middle of the battle or even the enemy FARP I'd take advantage of the situation.

 

But there are still instances online in the past when a team is completely overran and has no other place to spawn at to stop the pain. It gets to the point where its no fun for the side getting vulched because they can't actually play the game... times like that is when vulching is wrong.

[Pilotasso]

there are 2 ways to vulch.

 

1) To totaly destroy your oponents ability to defend themselves and destroy the aircraft on the ground.

2) To sporadicaly jump on the enemy base and dump AA missiles on parked aircraft before being shot down by SAM or other fighters.

 

1) is the dynamic net result of an online match. 2) is needless and pointless but seems to be the dominant vulch method.

 

I dont remenber the last time I was blown up by a bomb or a voley of rockets. Only by AA missiles while stitting on the tarmac.

[Yeniceri]

all because that person knows that the SAMs will rip him apart and he won't get another chance at another gun run.......and after all that demands you say GK to him afterwards :D

thats a bit much!..

[rattler]

What is the point if you don't take advantage of a situation. This is supposed to be Combat and defeating your enemy. I suppose in RL no one toke advantage of a chance at the enemy. Come on guys this is rather a foolish thread. You get the enemy before he gets you. Don't forget you put yourself on the line also to advance your position in Combat and you could end up on the wrong end of the stick as well. That's Combat.

[GGTharos]

- This is not RL

- This is not real combat

- You are obviously not concerned with your own life when you fly into an enemy SAM zone to vulch people

- The SAM AI is far inferior to real SAMs that would blast you to pieces for trying this, as opposed to exploiting LO's SAM issues

- You're not putting yourself on any kind of line

 

People play this game to have fun. There are certainly situations where vulching is appropriate, and there are cases where it is simply lame. If the spirit of the game is to get in the air and fight, then fight in the air. If someone sets up an A2A-only server, it's probably not so that you in there and blast everything that's sitting on the tarmac.

 

It doesn't even have to do anything with server rules - it's just courtesy. On the other hand, there's also no reason to get overly upset with it when it -does- happen, and if its done by a bunch of guys flying Su-25/T or A-10's against fighters, I'd certainly tell THEM GK. But pointy nose pilots? Hpmph. Where's your fighter pilot pride :D

[S77th-konkussion]

A2g map or some sort of combo- fine

 

If it's an air to air server- completely cowardly and you will never get a GK from me.

[monotwix]

This is a simulation of RL to some degree and in RL the pilots do risk their lives and do get shot from the ground or at least did and given the right opportunity to attack the enemy base + the risk evaluation for the win, I think they would go for it.

Is it not enjoyable to play real?

[S77th-konkussion]

By ground pounders? Sure.

 

Are you saying that a fighter would be doing that? heh..

[GGTharos]

I believe what some of us are trying to say is that this 'evaluation' you are referring to is a non-factor. They'll go in even when they KNOW the most likely outcome will be death, in the game. They do it for the thrill. I don't think that's playing 'real'.