raelias Posted November 19, 2020 Posted November 19, 2020 I was wondering, since we can take a double rack of MK-83, is it possible a BRU-55 double rack of GBU-32? Just asking really I don't know but if yes it's not in-game yet It doest looks like it would fit just fine, the fins are the same size as the MK-83 (MK83 racks and GBU38 racks on the screenshot) Win10 64, MSI Krait Gaming Z370, I7 8700K, Geforce 1080Ti FTW3 ,32 GB Ram, Samsung 980 EVO SSD Modules: Combind Arms, A-10C, F-86F, F/A-18, F-16, Flaming Cliffs, KA-50, L-39, P-51, UH-1, Christen Eagle II, Persian Gulf
Tholozor Posted November 19, 2020 Posted November 19, 2020 You can find plenty of evidence of it being carried like that on Rhinos. Not sure if it's anything that was ever authorized on legacy Hornets, but it should be technically possible. REAPER 51 | Tholozor VFA-136 (c.2007): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3305981/ Arleigh Burke Destroyer Pack (2020): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3313752/
Northstar98 Posted November 19, 2020 Posted November 19, 2020 If BRU-55(?) is okay for our Hornet, I don't see why not. Modules I own: F-14A/B, F-4E, Mi-24P, AJS 37, AV-8B N/A, F-5E-3, MiG-21bis, F-16CM, F/A-18C, Supercarrier, Mi-8MTV2, UH-1H, Mirage 2000C, FC3, MiG-15bis, Ka-50, A-10C (+ A-10C II), P-47D, P-51D, C-101, Yak-52, WWII Assets, CA, NS430, Hawk. Terrains I own: South Atlantic, Syria, The Channel, SoH/PG, Marianas. System: GIGABYTE B650 AORUS ELITE AX, AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Corsair Vengeance DDR5-5200 32 GB, NVIDIA GeForce RTX 4070S FE, Western Digital Black SN850X 1 TB (DCS dedicated) & 2 TB NVMe SSDs, Corsair RM850X 850 W, NZXT H7 Flow, MSI G274CV. Peripherals: VKB Gunfighter Mk.II w. MCG Pro, MFG Crosswind V3 Graphite, Logitech Extreme 3D Pro.
raelias Posted November 19, 2020 Author Posted November 19, 2020 Great, thank you can't wait Win10 64, MSI Krait Gaming Z370, I7 8700K, Geforce 1080Ti FTW3 ,32 GB Ram, Samsung 980 EVO SSD Modules: Combind Arms, A-10C, F-86F, F/A-18, F-16, Flaming Cliffs, KA-50, L-39, P-51, UH-1, Christen Eagle II, Persian Gulf
Ipergallo Posted November 19, 2020 Posted November 19, 2020 You can find plenty of evidence of it being carried like that on Rhinos. Not sure if it's anything that was ever authorized on legacy Hornets, but it should be technically possible. Hi, you can find plenty of evidence of it being carried like that in F-18C too, like actually we use the same configuration for AGM-154 that share the same rack system of Jdam, we actually use a dual rack for GBU-38, supposed tu be a BRU-55.
raelias Posted February 18, 2021 Author Posted February 18, 2021 Any news from the devs on when we are getting the double GBU-32s? Win10 64, MSI Krait Gaming Z370, I7 8700K, Geforce 1080Ti FTW3 ,32 GB Ram, Samsung 980 EVO SSD Modules: Combind Arms, A-10C, F-86F, F/A-18, F-16, Flaming Cliffs, KA-50, L-39, P-51, UH-1, Christen Eagle II, Persian Gulf
raelias Posted March 18, 2021 Author Posted March 18, 2021 I know it's possible, been trying to get an answer on this for months... Win10 64, MSI Krait Gaming Z370, I7 8700K, Geforce 1080Ti FTW3 ,32 GB Ram, Samsung 980 EVO SSD Modules: Combind Arms, A-10C, F-86F, F/A-18, F-16, Flaming Cliffs, KA-50, L-39, P-51, UH-1, Christen Eagle II, Persian Gulf
Tholozor Posted March 19, 2021 Posted March 19, 2021 (edited) Here's a 1995 research paper on the subject of aircraft capabilities regarding smart bombs. https://apps.dtic.mil/sti/pdfs/ADA300588.pdf At the bottom of page 2-14, it states: Quote The BRU-55 is compatible with carrying two 1,000 lb. JDAM, JSOW, or WCMD Granted we already have the BRU-55 carrying JSOW, reason would stand that GBU-32 would fall into this category. We know for a fact that Super Hornets have flown with 32s on BRU-55, but I've never seen it on a legacy Bug. The paper goes into additional detail regarding the Hornet's weight limits for the inboard and outboard stations (at the top of page 2-12), and more on the mechanical interface on page 2-11. Granted this paper is from 1995, and a lot can happen in 10 years. Wiring may have changed, authorized loading doctrine may have changed, etc. Long story short: Is it possible from a technical standpoint? Yes. Did the Navy ever actually do it for the legacy Hornet? Not as far as I can tell, but there are probably others with better first-hand knowledge to answer that. Depending on the result of answering that question though, if 32s aren't going to be on BRU-55, then perhaps JSOW shouldn't either. Edited March 19, 2021 by Tholozor 1 1 REAPER 51 | Tholozor VFA-136 (c.2007): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3305981/ Arleigh Burke Destroyer Pack (2020): https://www.digitalcombatsimulator.com/en/files/3313752/
Rescue Posted March 24, 2021 Posted March 24, 2021 Hello There! 03.2019 it was advertised that a BRU-55 could double carry smart Ammo (ED also named GBU-32) in that post for an upcoming update. This Website tells me that JDAMs up to 1000lbs are possible (GBU-32) on a BRU-55: https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/systems/bru-57.htm This here: https://fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ac/equip/docs/bru-57-System_Performance_Specification.html Stated that GBU-32 can be carried on them (new gen 1000lbs MIL-STD-1760 class stores). "These Include and is not limited to GBU-32, AGM-154, (...)". The document MP-AVT-108-13 state at least that the GBU-32 flight test on BRU-55s is completed (on F/A-18C). As far as I understand BRU-55 and -57 are the same thing but -55 is Navy and -57 Air Force stuff. From the public stuff i get it should be possible like the JSOWs. Although a gold old unclassified document that says in easy english "yeah this thing fit on it" isn't easy to find. Greetings
raelias Posted March 24, 2021 Author Posted March 24, 2021 Wonder why it's taking so long to be avalible, sounds like a relativelly simple feature to implement Win10 64, MSI Krait Gaming Z370, I7 8700K, Geforce 1080Ti FTW3 ,32 GB Ram, Samsung 980 EVO SSD Modules: Combind Arms, A-10C, F-86F, F/A-18, F-16, Flaming Cliffs, KA-50, L-39, P-51, UH-1, Christen Eagle II, Persian Gulf
Rescue Posted March 24, 2021 Posted March 24, 2021 Oh and i found this here: https://www.l3harris.com/all-capabilities/smart-multiple-carriage-racks Sure it's advertisment but still: "The L3Harris BRU-55/A smart rack doubles the number of MIL-STD-1760 smart weapons that can be carried on tactical strike aircraft such as the F/A-18 C-F.". And from what I found a GBU-32 is part of MIL-STD-1760. Greetings
Swift. Posted March 24, 2021 Posted March 24, 2021 It is in no dispute that GBU-32 can be carried on BRU55. The question that has yet to be answered is whether Legacy Hornet could carry GBU-32 on BRU55, there has yet to be evidence presented to support that claim. 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2
Swift. Posted March 25, 2021 Posted March 25, 2021 9 minutes ago, rogerkiln said: I know it's possible, been trying to get an answer on this for months.. How do you know its possible then? Have you seen it? 1 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2
raelias Posted March 26, 2021 Author Posted March 26, 2021 Well if the BRU-55 suports GBU-32, there is no reason why out lot 20 shouldn't have it Win10 64, MSI Krait Gaming Z370, I7 8700K, Geforce 1080Ti FTW3 ,32 GB Ram, Samsung 980 EVO SSD Modules: Combind Arms, A-10C, F-86F, F/A-18, F-16, Flaming Cliffs, KA-50, L-39, P-51, UH-1, Christen Eagle II, Persian Gulf
Ziptie Posted March 26, 2021 Posted March 26, 2021 15 minutes ago, raelias said: Well if the BRU-55 suports GBU-32, there is no reason why out lot 20 shouldn't have it Could be a limitation "external" to the BRU-55 (i.e wiring or a hardware/software system limitation on the aircraft itself). I don't know for sure, one way or the other, and would be speculation if I sided one way or the other. Hopefully an official Eagle Dynamics representative will be able to sort out your question. Cheers, Ziptie i7 6700 @4ghz, 32GB HyperX Fury ddr4-2133 ram, GTX980, Oculus Rift CV1, 2x1TB SSD drives (one solely for DCS OpenBeta standalone) Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, Thrustmaster Cougar MFDs Airframes: A10C, A10CII, F/A-18C, F-14B, F-16C, UH=1H, FC3. Modules: Combined Arms, Supercarrier. Terrains: Persian Gulf, Nevada NTTR, Syria
Swift. Posted March 26, 2021 Posted March 26, 2021 6 hours ago, raelias said: Well if the BRU-55 suports GBU-32, there is no reason why out lot 20 shouldn't have it That's not a sound like of reasoning, for example MER is capable of carrying 6 mk82s, but hornet isn't. There are more things that limit store carriage than weight and wiring. Think about aerodynamic effects of jettison or release, including interference effects one the surrounding stations. Think about asymmetric roll limitations; could a potentially uncontrollable load be created by hung stores. 2 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2
Rescue Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 On 3/25/2021 at 12:23 AM, Swiftwin9s said: It is in no dispute that GBU-32 can be carried on BRU55. The question that has yet to be answered is whether Legacy Hornet could carry GBU-32 on BRU55, there has yet to be evidence presented to support that claim. See: On 3/24/2021 at 11:09 PM, Rescue said: (...) "The L3Harris BRU-55/A smart rack doubles the number of MIL-STD-1760 smart weapons that can be carried on tactical strike aircraft such as the F/A-18 C-F.". (...) 23 hours ago, Swiftwin9s said: (...) There are more things that limit store carriage than weight and wiring. Think about aerodynamic effects of jettison or release, including interference effects one the surrounding stations. Think about asymmetric roll limitations; could a potentially uncontrollable load be created by hung stores. See: On 3/24/2021 at 10:35 PM, Rescue said: (...) The document MP-AVT-108-13 state at least that the GBU-32 flight test on BRU-55s is completed (on F/A-18C). (...) In conclusion it should be possible. Even more if ED keeps the way that the AGM-154s can be carried as double ones. Still no clear stuff but a lot of indications. Greetings
Swift. Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 (edited) 8 hours ago, Rescue said: See: See: In conclusion it should be possible. Even more if ED keeps the way that the AGM-154s can be carried as double ones. Still no clear stuff but a lot of indications. Greetings To the first point, I never said hornet cant carry BRU-55. Just that it cant load GBU-32 thereon. To the second, an interesting find. I took the time to read the relevant section of MP-AVT-108-13 (an unclassified technical report on The Use of Statistical Tools to Improve Modeling and Simulation of Store Separation) What is contained within is an analysis on the use of computer modelling to simulate stores separation testing. In which it describes the GBU-32 on BRU-55 on Hornet as 'successful' in that the statistical tools successfully repeated the flight testing. Deficiencies in that report, are that its only assessing the suitability of the tools, not the suitability of the stores on the aircraft. And that its related to stores separation, nothing to do with interference and carriage. Edited March 27, 2021 by Swiftwin9s 1 476th Discord | 476th Website | Swift Youtube Ryzen 5800x, RTX 4070ti, 64GB, Quest 2
med-taha Posted March 27, 2021 Posted March 27, 2021 Royal Australian Air Force F/A-18A Hornet receiving fuel while flying a mission in support of Operation Okra over Iraq. We can clearly see a GBU-32 mounted on a BRU-55 in a Combat mission. 1 1
Rescue Posted March 30, 2021 Posted March 30, 2021 (edited) Today i found the NAVEDTRA 14313B. This Document stated that the BRU-55 is fitted onto the BRU-32. Again BRU-55 is stated that it doubles the amount of 1000lbs bombs. It against refers to MIL-STD-1760 also to non-MIL-STD-1760 armament. Down the document it refers to the publication of the NTRP 3-22.4-FA18A-D (which should be public) for the authorization of any load of weapon and stores. Unfortunately I haven't yet access to a copy of NTRP 3-22.4-FA18A-D. There is a link online that doesn't work yet for me. Maybe some of you may have a better chance. Nice pictures med-taha! Greetings Edited March 30, 2021 by Rescue 1
raelias Posted March 30, 2021 Author Posted March 30, 2021 I really wished for a official statement on this Win10 64, MSI Krait Gaming Z370, I7 8700K, Geforce 1080Ti FTW3 ,32 GB Ram, Samsung 980 EVO SSD Modules: Combind Arms, A-10C, F-86F, F/A-18, F-16, Flaming Cliffs, KA-50, L-39, P-51, UH-1, Christen Eagle II, Persian Gulf
Bunny Clark Posted March 30, 2021 Posted March 30, 2021 On 3/24/2021 at 5:09 PM, Rescue said: Sure it's advertisment but still: "The L3Harris BRU-55/A smart rack doubles the number of MIL-STD-1760 smart weapons that can be carried on tactical strike aircraft such as the F/A-18 C-F.". And from what I found a GBU-32 is part of MIL-STD-1760. MIL-STD-1760 is a data communications standard used for transferring position and target information to weapons. The inclusion of 1760 wiring is what distinguishes the BRU-55 from the BRU-33. It doesn't mean that the BRU-55 can carry any MIL-STD-1760 weapon though, as that would also include the GBU-31. Oil In The Water Hornet Campaign. Bunny's: Form-Fillable Controller Layout PDFs | HOTAS Kneeboards | Checklist Kneeboards
Ipergallo Posted December 29, 2022 Posted December 29, 2022 On 3/30/2021 at 10:13 PM, Bunny Clark said: MIL-STD-1760 is a data communications standard used for transferring position and target information to weapons. The inclusion of 1760 wiring is what distinguishes the BRU-55 from the BRU-33. It doesn't mean that the BRU-55 can carry any MIL-STD-1760 weapon though, as that would also include the GBU-31. We speak about 1000 lb class weapons... GBU-31 is a 2000 lb class weapon... so... so... so two yeas passed and any response, there are docs, there are photos, there are... always the same Torquemada that block any F-18C implementation in weapons stores... Why? I think that... (sorry I can't find a photo for that so I can't say...) ED have find a brilliant solution for any Torquemada, but... for some reasons, that I don't know, only for F-16C harm gate resolution... Why we can't have a double rack BRU-55 for GBU-32? No response in 2 years... Why we can't have a single rack for aim-120 ? No response... If you think that is no good for a Navy F-18C, purists can always use payload restrictions in ME... Why we can't have a single rack for rockets? No response... If you think that is no good for a Navy F-18C, purists can always use payload restrictions... 2 years of no response... Thank you!
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