Black Shark deep penetration mission?

[Flyby]

I've swiped the drool away from my mouth (read ED's latest update) long enough to focus on another Flyby-random-thought. So now I'm curious about making deep penetration missions for Black Shark. Maybe go after a fuel or ammo dump, or comm center. I think I'd have to set up a few farps, but is it likely to set up a clandestine farp in enemy territory in Black Shark world? If it's a long-distance strike (for a Black Shark) could the last farp be designated as a fuel-and-weapons farp, flying slick until I reach that farp? Can external fuel tanks be added to the BS until it reached that weapons farp, and is that capability to change loadouts within the mission modelled in the sim? For an early morning strike at said targets, is the pilot's night vision goggles up to the task of getting to that last farp in time to get the weapons loadout, then hit the target at dawn?

I can see it now. A mission lasting 6 hours with refueling, and not loading weapons until that last farp. This may not be suitable for coop play. Just thinking out load before the meds kick in.

Flyby out

[Wags]

Yes to all questions.

[GGTharos]

This is certainly possible.

 

Don't run into a fighter, you won't even know that you regretted it :D

 

Edit: Wags beat me to it!

[Flyby]

well alright!!!

 

Yes to all questions.

Thanks Wags for the quick reply. The idea of such a mission has for me the appeal of a desperate situation. Success would be a real high, especially with controlling an AI flight, handing off targets, and such. Cooping such a mission might require the most hardcore of the online breed. But speaking of AI, I suppose it's possible to have some AI Sharks to serve as escorts for the attack waypoint?

thanks again!:thumbup:

Flyby out

PS: hey GGT, if I fly NOE, and borrow a radar detector (ala an F14 pilot who did it) I might have a shot at mission success. But that's the fun of a rough mission in the sim world. Odd the BS has not radar warning. Is that really true?

[GGTharos]

Do a COOP night transit mission with perhaps a little surprise if you stray off the way ... ;)

If you fly NOE, and hide in the mountains yes. If a radar paints you, that rotor disk is going to get you splashed - or -should-. :)

 

In BS, I think it would make no sense to put an actual fighter in the mission though, IMHO.

 

And yes, the Ka-50 has no RWR because it's not expected to encounter that sort of threat since its specialty is 'low intensity conflict'. That is my guess anyway.

[Prophet]

I would guess that it wouldnt do any good (an RWR), and thus a waste of money/time/research/engineering.

[Flyby]

thanks for the reply, GGT

But what would you have in mind as "a little surpise" for straying off course? Ha! Imagine accidentally overflying a sam site, or an unreported enemy airfield! Maybe even a manpads!:D Perhaps power lines? It could be anything that goes " bump in the night". Nice thinking!:thumbup:

Flyby out

[GGTharos]

Or if you're sneaking into enemy territory, you could have triggers in the cities to make them spawn a guy with a stinger in front of you. So if you don't plan a route around villages etc or carelessly overfly them... :D

[Mugatu]

A low cloud deck too would make it fun :)

 

thanks for the reply, GGT

But what would you have in mind as "a little surpise" for straying off course? Ha! Imagine accidentally overflying a sam site, or an unreported enemy airfield! Maybe even a manpads!:D Perhaps power lines? It could be anything that goes " bump in the night". Nice thinking!:thumbup:

Flyby out

[LastRifleRound]

No RWR!? No wonder you guys have been so adamant about avoiding fighters (not that you shouldn't anyway). You literally won't know what hit you!

 

This of course opens up a new can of worms for radar-based SAMs. That beautfiully rendered SA-8 can really ruin your day. All of the dangers of IR SAM's (no warning) with the range and power of a radar SAM.

 

Intel is now more key than ever.

[GGTharos]

Correct; in the case of a well designed and thought out mission (in terms of making it challenging and at least somewhat realistic) you should want to plan your route carefully.

 

So I sort of foresee two types of missions out there; your regular 'take off and shoot stuff' missions, and more realistic missions where you have to spend time navigating and picking your way to your target while considering your firing position and the cover it provides -and- the ability to retreat from it.

[Avimimus]

I personally would like to try taking off in the middle of the night from an airfield which is being over run (due to defecting units or an ambush by urban guerrillas). It will be a great use of the very limited NVG set up we're getting in BS (and the triggers as well).

 

Regarding deep penetration: Can anyone think of a strategic scenario in which a team of Kamov would be sent (or lent) to destroy long range air defences? I suspect that even the S-300 would be vulnerable to helicopters if the could get through its associated SHORAD unit...

[Prophet]

Never happen.

[Rhino4]

What about a long-distance EWR attack, a'la the opening shot of desert storm made by apache pilots. Not going after the sams per se, but instead going after the thing that alerts them to your presence...That would be much more realistic. You could also include "training" missions in your campaign that have the player going after a simulated target and have them practicing for the real mission while not telling them what they'll actually be shooting at until they get through the training missions to the real thing (opsec).

[Weta43]

I would guess that it wouldnt do any good (an RWR), and thus a waste of money/time/research/engineering.

Unless it was to tell you that there's a hawk SAM (etc.) somewhere in the valley behind the ridge you've just crested ...

[Rhino4]

Yeah I have no idea why there's no rwr...Makes no sense IMO. Flawed design philosophy. You can't always guarantee a "low intensity" conlflict, and so you build for what you might concievably need down the road, not what you think you may need at the time...

[Weta43]

I think I read that some Ka-50 have an RWR, but it's "top secret" & we only get things in DCS that public domain info exists for, so this isn't an option for the sim...

[EvilBivol-1]

Yeah I have no idea why there's no rwr...Makes no sense IMO. Flawed design philosophy. You can't always guarantee a "low intensity" conlflict, and so you build for what you might concievably need down the road, not what you think you may need at the time...

The reality of today's Ka-50 has to be considered as part of a systemic collapse of the entire state which it was meant to serve. Meaning, it's hard to tell where design flaws end and unfinished/unfunded implementation starts.

I think I read that some Ka-50 have an RWR, but it's "top secret" & we only get things in DCS that public domain info exists for, so this isn't an option for the sim...

Negative, the Ka-50's in service are not equipped with any RWR systems. You are probably thinking of the advanced missile warning and jamming systems, which were tested on the #25 airframe around 2004. It isn't clear yet if either of those systems will actually be adopted for service, although the most recent Ka-50 airframes to roll off the production line do sport the structures used to attach the warning receivers, but not the jammers.

 

ED has said it's possible they will model one or both of these systems in a future update to their Ka-50 model, but not now.

 

P.S. Check your PMs, Weta.

[Highwayman-Ed]

Flyby, sign me up for the co-op long range flights... hell, I'll even make the missions ;)

[Rhino4]

dido

[bogusheadbox]

What about assigning a few AI ground pounders for cover against a2a threats ?

[Flyby]

my pleasure!

 

Flyby, sign me up for the co-op long range flights... hell, I'll even make the missions ;)

I look forward to trying a deep penetration coop, Highwayman. Feel free to be the first to make such a coop. I know I'll be trying to make some missions too. We'll have a blast! All will be welcome, of course!:thumbup:

Flyby

[swepain]

Yes to all questions.

 

Love is in the air la la la lalala :music_whistling:

[bogusheadbox]

Ummm on a slightly different note.

 

Is nobody even remotely worried about the words "Black sheep deep penetration" ??

 

I am not sure if that is my cup of tee :huh:

[swepain]

Ummm on a slightly different note.

 

Is nobody even remotely worried about the words "Black sheep deep penetration" ??

 

I am not sure if that is my cup of tee :huh:

 

lol- u sicko... :doh: