correct as-is P51- insufficient shot damage

[Coco22]

6 minutes ago, NineLine said:

So you only read the first thing I said, I am sorry, but we have done a lot of work in this area, and you have shown nothing compelling that anything needs to change.

yeh but i don t understand how you are sure that so strong

[Coco22]

mosquitos shoot 109 3 try.trk

*P51 shoot 109

when i stop to shoot i think here the wing shoold be cut 

show me a gun cam where a 109 can take some much bullet like that 

i m probably wrong bu t i don t understant sry 

 

Edited November 17, 2021 by Coco22

[Hobel]

1 hour ago, Coco22 said:

same lot of experience and lot of flight 

https://stormofwar.info/pilots.php 

i m BJ Coco i go 71 kill confirmed for this month and i got 0 kill because of a wing failure and in DCS the pilots stay more easly in her plane because that a simulation and they don t eject easily, and you put more bullet in the plane in comparaison to the real life.

The tests shown here were done in SP and you can't compare them with the MP experience.

Desync is a big problem in DCS = hits you see don't always necessarily reach the opponent.

1 hour ago, Doughguy said:

 unless someone gets some real ww2 planes and does some high kinetic damage tests... which i doubt.

This is not absolutely necessary, if we had or could still get such tests for our materials and weapons, we could at least come very close.

 

 

[Coco22]

5 minutes ago, Hobel said:

The tests shown here were done in SP and you can't compare them with the MP experience.

Desync is a big problem in DCS = hits you see don't always necessarily reach the opponent.

yep i know that this is why i did a lot of test whit IA and i got the same feeling 

[NineLine]

32 minutes ago, Coco22 said:

show me a gun cam where a 109 can take some much bullet like that 

Show me where it doesn't. You cant because most gun camera footage is the final results of a fight. Again, you are not giving anything that hasn't already be disproven in here.

[Coco22]

9 minutes ago, NineLine said:

Show me where it doesn't. You cant because most gun camera footage is the final results of a fight. Again, you are not giving anything that hasn't already be disproven in here.

dude tell me how i can do that, the only way to show your wrong is to take a 50cal and shoot a wing but i don t have the money for that 

1 minute ago, Coco22 said:

Show me where it doesn't.

i show you here now take a p51 and do the same that is imposible in dcs with a quick burst like that i never see that in dcs 

tell me i m wrong and in dcs we are really far to cut a wing like that 

Edited November 17, 2021 by Coco22

[NineLine]

I already showed you.

[Coco22]

2 minutes ago, NineLine said:

I already showed you.

no you show me nothing. 

all the video i see the 109 can take 2 or 3 times what he take in this video.

show me again well, because a i try it and that impossible 

[NineLine]

1 minute ago, Coco22 said:

no you show me nothing. 

all the video i see the 109 can take 2 or 3 times what he take in this video.

show me again well, because a i try it and that impossible 

You want the impossible, you want to shoot the wing off every time with a couple bullets, that is not realism, that is arcade, there are games for this.

The sad thing is you can get a kill every time without shooting a wing off, why you need this so bad, I have no idea. This is correct as is. Thanks.

[Coco22]

1 minute ago, NineLine said:

You want the impossible, you want to shoot the wing off every time with a couple bullets

dude where i said that, whereeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee ??????????

i shoot 71 whith never a wing failure and i never tell you i want this 71 kill with a wing cut 

3 minutes ago, NineLine said:

You want the impossible

i just want the reality 

4 minutes ago, NineLine said:

The sad thing is you can get a kill every time without shooting a wing off, why you need this so bad, I have no idea. This is correct as is. Thanks.

i never say that. 

 

5 minutes ago, NineLine said:

why you need this so bad

hmmmmmm let me think probably because that happen in reality juste like in the gun cam i show, ah and you don t show me how you cut the 109 just like in the gun cam

9 minutes ago, NineLine said:

You want the impossible, you want to shoot the wing off every time with a couple bullets, that is not realism, that is arcade, there are games for this.

The sad thing is you can get a kill every time without shooting a wing off, why you need this so bad, I have no idea. This is correct as is. Thanks.

what you think about me you think i m stupid and i just whatch to much hollywood movies. 

if you prove to me that i was wrong with real argument then  i will quit 

[NineLine]

My head is starting to hurt but let me try once more.

Unless you get the full gun camera footage, then you don't know the FULL story. That is right, in most if not all cases of those clips, they are showing the final moments, not the full fight. We can tell you by our experience and documentation on both wings and rounds that you don't shoot wings off often, more likely the aircraft will be destroyed by some other means, as well most gun camera footage of wings coming off is from a catastrophic event such as fuel or ammo explosion.

Me and others have shown you it is possible
I asked you to find me all these reports of wings being cut off, or even more than two or three gun camera clips, you havent.

You are getting reality, you are the only one I have seen obsessed with wings, you don't need to cut a wing to destroy an aircraft.

You have not proven nor shown any errors or problems here.

I suggest you drop it now, or come back with some real proof that you should be cutting all these wings so easily.
 

9 minutes ago, Coco22 said:

if you prove to me that i was wrong with real argument then  i will quit 

The burden of proof is on you, not on us. You have not shown any issue, so this is correct as-is.