Consistency in collision with power cables + Birds [ Powerlines Now Seem Fixed - yay ]

[Phantom_Mark]

Many NON  FC3 "ED aircraft" will not, and do not collide "Correctly" with Power Cables and Phone Cables & Birds, reminds of the days we used to be able to fly through the trees !!

Ruins the immersion of low level ground attack for me personally, there is no consequences, especially when the antique FC3 content manages it just fine.

Edited April 18, 2023 by Phantom_Mark

[SharpeXB]

How do you know you’re not colliding with birds? The chance is exceedingly rare. I’ve had one bird strike in 8 years 

It was amazing, I’m just wheels up when suddenly my engine flames out. Not in combat. Nobody shot me. WTF? I shut down the engine pulled the fire handle and just set the A-10 back down on the runway. In hindsight I realize it must have been a bird. But set at 100% the chance of this in the game is very low, like reality. 

[Mars Exulte]

MUH IMMERSIONZ!!!1!

 

Birds have always worked, it's just very low almost never.

 

I can't speak to powerlines, everytime I hit one it killed me. That's more likely to be related to the map, and nothing to do with the aircraft. The planes all have hitboxes or you couldn't crash, or get shot, etc. The powerlines themselves on certain maps might be missing hitboxes though. But you'll need to like... do some experimenting or provide some details. Your statement is incorrect generally, unless you found something specific.

[Phantom_Mark]

With the possible exception of the A10C I am pretty sure of my claims (need to re-test that one), and have tested over a period of "years" not just come to this conclusion.....

I have been asking for the same improvements for a very long time as well

[Phantom_Mark]

Re: Birds

I have never ever been taken down by birds in anything other than FC3 Aircraft, with FC3 Aircraft and birds on Max it is actually quite common at low level near the coast especially to be taken down by birds.

Anyway, because I am not lazy and willing to back up my claims, rather than just shoot the claims down.......

A10C II Caucus.

I will upload a ton of others now as well.
 

 

[Phantom_Mark]

A10C Caucus
 

 

Edited January 3, 2021 by Phantom_Mark

[Phantom_Mark]

6 hours ago, zhukov032186 said:

MUH IMMERSIONZ!!!1!

 

Birds have always worked, it's just very low almost never.

 

I can't speak to powerlines, everytime I hit one it killed me. That's more likely to be related to the map, and nothing to do with the aircraft. The planes all have hitboxes or you couldn't crash, or get shot, etc. The powerlines themselves on certain maps might be missing hitboxes though. But you'll need to like... do some experimenting or provide some details. Your statement is incorrect generally, unless you found something specific.

Before you shoot someone's claims down maybe you should take the time to test it for yourself, instead of making wise arse comments trying to make me look foolish, I have been around in the DCS environment since the days of Flanker, so I am hardly wet behind the ears just because I don't have 3k in comments in the group !

So to continue my post about being "incorrect generally" let me know when I can stop uploading the proof ?
 

 

F16
 

Hornet
 

 

Harrier
 

Mig 21

Tomcat

And the last of my owned aircraft, the Viggen

This post will be continually updated with other vids.

 

Edited January 3, 2021 by Phantom_Mark

[Phantom_Mark]

Last but not least, and because it proves there is nothing wrong with anything above......
 

I have conducted the same tests with many of the aircraft in all the other maps I own, PG, Syria, Nevada, Normandy.......can find no evidence it a map related problem, I have not tested every single combination possible, so if someone wants to prove me wrong, please be my guest.

Given I have taken the time to prove my case here, if someone wants to prove Bird strikes take down NON FC3 aircraft I am ready to watch.....I am not going to sit and waste another evening because someone else can't be arsed to test properly tho, fwiw my tests have been MAX BIRDS, and last time I tested was in PG near the harbours where there was a lot of birds, I was down in moments with a FC3 aircraft, had no issues with any others.

[Dragon1-1]

One thing, it's "Caucasus", not "Caucus". Nobody is worried about crashing into power lines over political rallies here.  

 

I'm pretty sure I've crashed helicopters into the power lines, however fixed wing aircraft indeed seem to phase through them.

[Phantom_Mark]

Just now, Dragon1-1 said:

One thing, it's "Caucasus", not "Caucus". Nobody is worried about crashing into power lines over political rallies here.  

 

I'm pretty sure I've crashed helicopters into the power lines, however fixed wing aircraft indeed seem to phase through them.

It was Caucus as an abbreviation as I could not be arsed to type it a million times

I believe the Choppers are ok last time I tried as well actually.

[Mars Exulte]

It's not on me to test, as I'm not making the claim. If you expect a bug report or something to be taken seriously, you should expect to be asked for ''proof'', not have scores of people go test your hypothesis.

 

Your follow up post clarified some of my questions. Interesting.

 

Also, how long someone has been here has little relevance. People complain constantly, with varying levels of validity, often vased on vague notions of ''feelz''. So, again, it's up to the complainer to validate their claim, not the rest of us.

 

I was pretty certain I've hit lines before in the F-86 before around Nellis, but that incident was a long time ago and I'm willing to admit to hazy memory of the event.

 

Likewise with birds, I've had flameouts before (though only once or so), and seen others posted on YT, including one with the A-10. I'm more inclined to think the FC3 aircraft's simplified systems are more prone to failure than that the birds don't work at all.

Edited January 4, 2021 by zhukov032186

[Dragon1-1]

Well, I've only ever had that happen in the A-10 and FC3 planes, but I always assumed it's because they spend a lot of time in the weeds. I didn't have those problems with either the MiG-29 or the F-15, which don't.

[Phantom_Mark]

19 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

Well, I've only ever had that happen in the A-10 and FC3 planes, but I always assumed it's because they spend a lot of time in the weeds. I didn't have those problems with either the MiG-29 or the F-15, which don't.

I spend 95% of my time in the weeds which is why I have been asking for a fix for so long tbh, all the FC3 aircraft interact fully with the wires and birds correctly, it just seems everything else is not not "Fully Featured" in collisions and damage.

 

[unknown]

As they introduced the damage model for the trees and power lines i can remember that it hurt if i flew into them with my modules back then. So i naturally avoid them, but i also had the case were i hit them and nothing happend. My thought back then was that they removed the hitbox for the power lines for performance optimisation, i don't fly the FC modules that much anymore so I didn't think anything of it. 

[Mars Exulte]

7 hours ago, unknown said:

My thought back then was that they removed the hitbox for the power lines for performance optimisation, i don't fly the FC modules that much anymore so I didn't think anything of it. 

 

  That's possible, as the sort of thing that realisticly almost never happens unless somebody's deliberately stunt flying... that said, I wouldn't think that would be that significant of a performance thing. It also wouldn't explain why it affects some but not others as in OP's case.

 

In theory an object either does or does not have a collision box, including the power lines themselves. It should either work for all or none at all. I can't see the modules having a collision box that deliberately ignores certain objects, and especially not only hi-fi but not FC3 or helos. I also can't see the hi-fi modules colliding with one object but not another. Just doesn't make sense.

Edited January 5, 2021 by zhukov032186

[Northstar98]

Yeah, back when I first got into DCS World I had a few run ins with power lines, and it was pretty cool seeing that they would A.) do damage, B.) would actually make something resembling a spark effect (-ish) and when you looked back the line was gone. Now it doesn't seem they're doing anything, at least for the modules I mostly fly. 

[Phantom_Mark]

21 hours ago, zhukov032186 said:

 

  That's possible, as the sort of thing that realisticly almost never happens unless somebody's deliberately stunt flying... that said, I wouldn't think that would be that significant of a performance thing. It also wouldn't explain why it affects some but not others as in OP's case.

 

In theory an object either does or does not have a collision box, including the power lines themselves. It should either work for all or none at all. I can't see the modules having a collision box that deliberately ignores certain objects, and especially not only hi-fi but not FC3 or helos. I also can't see the hi-fi modules colliding with one object but not another. Just doesn't make sense.

 

The only reason I noted it is because I particularly spend a lot of time at low level, it is something i enjoy, and i am always reminded how much we are missing when I take up an FC3 aircraft for a spin (usually the SU25T), I have to pay so much more attention flying the T than I do when flying the high fidelity aircraft, one lapse of concentration or not reading the land ahead correctly and you can quickly zip through a power line without meaning to, especially when engaged defensive at low level. For someone who maybe spends all their time doing A2A it is probably of no consequence - IDK, that isn't me tho

Edited January 5, 2021 by Phantom_Mark

[Dragon1-1]

22 hours ago, zhukov032186 said:

  That's possible, as the sort of thing that realisticly almost never happens unless somebody's deliberately stunt flying...

Not true, if you're flying low level penetration with any aircraft in an area with power lines, it's something you need to pay close attention to. In particular, valleys in Caucasus have a tendency to have power lines stretched across them, just waiting for a Viggen jock to come in screaming at low level.  Some of those are pretty high, too, at least from a perspective of someone trying to hide in the valleys.

[Phantom_Mark]

Sorry to dig this up again, a continuing annoyance given how many times I have reported over the years, not sure I understand why there is no will to fix this ??

[upyr1]

On 1/3/2021 at 5:19 PM, Phantom_Mark said:

It was Caucus as an abbreviation as I could not be arsed to type it a million times

I believe the Choppers are ok last time I tried as well actually.

I know what you meant then again I am Typ0. I can't remember when I had a bird strike last I am going to check my settings. I know they happen in real life I saw the smoke from an AWACS that was brought down by a Canadian goose and then Scully landed after a bird strike.

[Phantom_Mark]

1 hour ago, upyr1 said:

I know what you meant then again I am Typ0. I can't remember when I had a bird strike last I am going to check my settings. I know they happen in real life I saw the smoke from an AWACS that was brought down by a Canadian goose and then Scully landed after a bird strike.

If I jump into the SU25T , set birds to 1000% and fly low around the coastline it normally takes a matter of a few mins before I ingest a bird ....I can spend an hour aiming at them deliberately in the hornet and never take one, just the same with the wires as mentioned above....... 

[Lukas2438]

maybe the birds setting aren't implemented as a core feature but as a FC3 related feature and won't work with other aircraft?

Edited January 17, 2023 by Lukas2438

[Phantom_Mark]

On 1/17/2023 at 1:59 PM, Lukas2438 said:

maybe the birds setting aren't implemented as a core feature but as a FC3 related feature and won't work with other aircraft?

 

Strange to add UI interface options exclusively for content that was made more than a decade back tho right ??  Of course this isn't the intent, it is just the support hasn't been added correctly to the more expensive and more professional content, which is also strange in itself, as also with the wires, the free plane works fine, but the ones we paid good money for are not fully featured sadly.

[Lukas2438]

IF it is proven to be a FC3 only feature from the beginning, they could move the setting to Special > FC3, just to clarify it's not intended to work with other than these aircraft.

as I can remember the bird strike slider was already there back in 2017-2018 when I started with DCS, featuring the old UI.

[Phantom_Mark]

The bottom line is the birds and wires are broken sadly, but no comment seems to be forthcoming if it will be fixed or not sadly.  Will post back in another year and moan about it again, at least the wires work on the Choppers (Birds don't tho)