Anti-runway weapons?

[El Chapo]

Hi

 

Would it be possible to make us some anti-runway weapons? 

Something like the Durandal or BAP-100?

 

It would be nice for runway attacks... 

 

Thanks

[corn322]

The MiG-21 and Su-25 can carry BetAB-500ShP.

[bies]

For all out symmetrical warfare - like planned for new dynamic campaign - runway attacks were one of the main considerations.

 

The whole "short takeoff and landing" trend dictated design choices of many planes because of calculation in all out war runways will be attacked as first target.

STOL JA/AJS-37 Viggen with thrust reversal, VTOL Harrier jump jet, variable geometry F-111, MiG-23, Su-17, Su-24, drag chutes in many planes etc.

 

One of the first targets during Desert Storm were runways attacked by Tornado with JP233.

 

(This kind of weapon became less important only after 1990 because there was virtually no risk of any all out war, so weapon has no purpose anymore.)

Edited February 2, 2021 by bies

[DmitriKozlowsky]

7 hours ago, bies said:

For all out symmetrical warfare - like planned for new dynamic campaign - runway attacks were one of the main considerations.

 

The whole "short takeoff and landing" trend dictated design choices of many planes because of calculation in all out war runways will be attacked as first target.

STOL JA/AJS-37 Viggen with thrust reversal, VTOL Harrier jump jet, variable geometry F-111, MiG-23, Su-17, Su-24, drag chutes in many planes etc.

 

One of the first targets during Desert Storm were runways attacked by Tornado with JP233.

 

(This kind of weapon became less important only after 1990 because there was virtually no risk of any all out war, so weapon has no purpose anymore.)

 

ANti-runway mission is by far the most dangerous for manned platform. NATO Tornado crews in Desert Storm suffered highest loss rate , for anti-runway missions of air missions flown. This is now handled by cruise missiles and JSOWs. In absence of SEAD dominance, low strike aircraft are too vulnerable to modern air defense.

[El Chapo]

True but our aircraft allow us to play cold War style missions when anti runway was still relevant, old style (overfly).

[bies]

4 hours ago, Габихан said:

True but our aircraft allow us to play cold War style missions when anti runway was still relevant, old style (overfly).

 

Yes and Cold War aircrafts are far more fun then some ~2000:

• Cold War Viggen, fly supersonic at 50 meters above the ground, masking yourself in every terrain recess, maneuver the plane to narrow weapon envelope, hit like a lighting seeing your bombs/rockets tearing enemy targets apart, run dodging enemy fire when even tanks and infantry is shooting at you
• 2000s Hornet, cruise at 40,000ft to point X, JSOWs automatically release from under your wings 50nm from the target, RTB mission complete without seeing any enemy. Intelligence will tell you in debrief if you destroy the target or not.

Edited February 3, 2021 by bies

[razo+r]

20 hours ago, Габихан said:

Hi

 

Would it be possible to make us some anti-runway weapons? 

Something like the Durandal or BAP-100?

 

It would be nice for runway attacks... 

 

Thanks

Durandal is, or was at least, already ingame. Just for some reason, no plane is using it. 

[kotor633]

vor 59 Minuten schrieb razo+r:

Durandal is, or was at least, already ingame. Just for some reason, no plane is using it. 

Except the JF-17, right?

You don't notice a big difference in the game whether you drop MK-8x, GBUs, JDAMS or Durandal onto the runway. The effect is the same. At least that's how it was when I had experimented with the JF a long time ago.

[razo+r]

1 hour ago, kotor633 said:

Except the JF-17, right?

 

 

Well, 1) The type 200 is not really the BLU-107 Durandal and 2), It got it implemented "just recently".

Edited February 3, 2021 by razo+r

[Northstar98]

12 minutes ago, razo+r said:

 

Well, 1) The type 200 is not really the BLU-107 Durandal

 

It basically is though? As I understand it the Type 200A is essentially a copied/reverse engineered Durandal, the 2 weapons are basically identical in form and function.

 

Only thing is that DCS doesn't model 2-stage warheads AFAIK, and the parachute container doesn't come off after ignition.

 

12 minutes ago, razo+r said:

and 2), It got it implemented "just recently".

 

Meh, early/mid April last year.

[razo+r]

29 minutes ago, Northstar98 said:

 

It basically is though? As I understand it the Type 200A is essentially a copied/reverse engineered Durandal, the 2 weapons are basically identical in form and function.

 

Only thing is that DCS doesn't model 2-stage warheads AFAIK, and the parachute container doesn't come off after ignition.

 

But can or does the JF-17 carry the BLU-107? I don't think so, hence why I said, no plane is using the Durandal.

 

29 minutes ago, Northstar98 said:

 

Meh, early/mid April last year.

 

Yeah, just recently if you compare it with the introduction date of the BLU-107 into DCS

[Northstar98]

8 minutes ago, razo+r said:

But can or does the JF-17 carry the BLU-107? I don't think so, hence why I said, no plane is using the Durandal.

 

I must've misinterpreted, what I got was Type 200A =/= BLU-107 when they're basically the same weapon (as I said, the Type 200A is a copied Durandal).

 

But correct, no aircraft that I know of in DCS uses the BLU-107. 

 

8 minutes ago, razo+r said:

Yeah, just recently if you compare it with the introduction date of the BLU-107 into DCS

 

I mean, compared to the one from what Flanker 2.0? Then sure, but otherwise it's not exactly a recent addition, it's not even usable in DCS, from any aircraft from the unit list.

[kotor633]

Whether BLU 107 or 200A. The Americans turned the Durandal into a BLU-107, the Chinese into a 200A ... another country calls them Hurzel Burzel ... The basis was / is the Matra Durandal. And they all run under anti-runway penetraion bombs ...

 

https://military.wikia.org/wiki/Matra_Durandal

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/app4/blu-107.html

https://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/munitions/blu-107.htm