A-10A full fidelity analog variant

[bies]

When i sat in A-10C again, realizing after some few months i simply forgot a lot of HOTAS and details of some digital weapon programing procedures i came into the conclusion a full fidelity A-10A may be a good idea. There seems to be only a small fraction of work left to make it, compared to the full module from scratch.

Green camo Cold War A-10A prior to the LASTE modification, when A-10 was actually sexy. Pre-LASTE A-10A flew from 1978 to 1993 just after Desert Storm.   The FC3 A-10A is a mid 90's upgrade which didn't see much combat, if any at all.

 

• Full fidelity professional flight model is already done
• Content, missions etc. are already done
• High quality 3D external model is already done
• High quality cockpit is already done - it would require only some changes - analog panels instead of DDI/computer
• All the systems like hydraulics, fuel, engines etc. are already done
• It could be actually even better as "entry level" module for DCS than FC3: First, being full fidelity - so a lot more commecrial value without the stigma of "low fidelity simplification". Second, being even simpler to learn than FC3, having clickable cockpit without the need to remember some dozens of keyboard shortcuts.

• And this analog variant had very interesting career as 1980s NATO tank killer in Europe and destroying hundreds of tanks and AFVs in all out war operation Desert Storm in Iraq.

• It ofers attractive gameplay with close range, manual, skill based weapon employment, very low altitude flying over enemy territory etc.

• It's very easy to learn: if you learn it once - you will remember it forever and be able to use it efficiently.

 

The thing what need to be done is to code some very simple analog/mechanical avionics closer to F-5 than A-10C. Obviously i realize looking from outside it's easy to underestimate the work needed. So that's just a suggestion.

Have a nice day

 

Cold War A-10A operating in Europe:

 

Edited October 20, 2024 by bies

[Harlikwin]

Yup 100% agreed. 

 

CBU's would need an "upgrade" in DCS world first IMO tho.

 

[norbot]

Your idea isn‘t really new.  

 

[Harlikwin]

LOL, there are no new ideas in the wishlist. 

 

 

[Exorcet]

Honestly, I think every plane should get variants developed at some point if possible, and perhaps with the release of these different variants we might get a couple of relevant AI additions to the DCS World core too, so the update containing the A-10A module might also have some 70's-80's USSR ground units included.

[Wdigman]

I would fly the A10A a lot more with a clickable cockpit. Already own it since I flew it since the Loc-on Days

 

In the mission editor is there an 80s era time-frame to limit weapons and Liveries to the time period?

 

 

[bies]

3 minutes ago, Wdigman said:

I would fly the A10A a lot more with a clickable cockpit. Already own it since I flew it since the Loc-on Days

 

In the mission editor is there an 80s era time-frame to limit weapons and Liveries to the time period?

 

 

 

90% of DCS assets, ground units, SAMs, warships, infantry, artillery, AI-planes - are from 1980s.

 

And yes, with new historical filter it's easy now to limit weapons, aircrafts and other assets to select timeframe.

[Wdigman]

Also would be willing to pay for the upgrade as well.

[norbot]

7 minutes ago, Wdigman said:

Also would be willing to pay for the upgrade as well.

+ 1

[Harlikwin]

8 minutes ago, Wdigman said:

Also would be willing to pay for the upgrade as well.

 

"Downgrade"

 

 

 

[Schmidtfire]

+1

[norbot]

2 minutes ago, Harlikwin said:

 

"Downgrade"

 

 

 

Not often that someone is willing to pay for less.

[Northstar98]

+1 would love to see an 80s A-10A, would fit perfectly for Cold War missions (and especially if we could get a northern + central Germany map c. early 70s - late 80s, which would be perfect for the A-10 - the perfect CAS map, with historical potential with appropriate airbases, with an aircraft that's perfect for it).

Edited February 15, 2021 by Northstar98

[kseremak]

A-10 pilot compares Desert Storm 1991 and Afganistan in 2000s.

Flying at minimun altitude, at night, without NVG or TFR during Desert Storm tells something about their training level during the Regan's Cold War period - they were prepared to fight full blown Soviet armored assault in Fulda Gap in the '80s.

 

 

[Schmidtfire]

Another possibility would be for ED to introduce a new standard that sits between Flaming Cliffs and Full Fidelity.
Just adding basic "clickability" in cockpit and revised TV screen/AGM-65 operation would go a long way. I'm sure it would sell fairly well too.

[Gunfreak]

On 2/12/2021 at 7:43 PM, bies said:

 

90% of DCS assets, ground units, SAMs, warships, infantry, artillery, AI-planes - are from 1980s.

 

And yes, with new historical filter it's easy now to limit weapons, aircrafts and other assets to select timeframe.

Except it doesn't work right. As its to specific.

You can't give Libya MIG21s in 1975 because Libya didn't have the Bis until the 80s. And that goes for a lot of stuff. So that makes the historical filter next to useless.

 

Edit. Damn sorry. Didn’t see this was a major necro post.

Edited September 28, 2024 by Gunfreak

[bies]

3 hours ago, Gunfreak said:

Except it doesn't work right. As its to specific.

You can't give Libya MIG21s in 1975 because Libya didn't have the Bis until the 80s. And that goes for a lot of stuff. So that makes the historical filter next to useless.

Well, "Historical Filter" being historically accurate have advantages as well. We can always turn it off.

It will be increasingly important to make it right as many Cold War modules are being actively developed right now; MiG-17, A-1H, G.91, F-100D, F-104, A-7E, MiG-23, Kfir, A-6E, F-4B/J, Su-17M, Bo-105, Tornado IDS, MiG-29 etc. Original pre-LASTE A-10A (and Su-25) would fit perfectly.

[Gunfreak]

26 minutes ago, bies said:

Well, "Historical Filter" being historically accurate have advantages as well. We can always turn it off.

It will be increasingly important to make it right as many Cold War modules are being actively developed right now; MiG-17, A-1H, G.91, F-100D, F-104, A-7E, MiG-23, Kfir, A-6E, F-4B/J, Su-17M, Bo-105, Tornado IDS, MiG-29 etc. Original pre-LASTE A-10A (and Su-25) would fit perfectly.

As long as there is just 1 model of one aircraft. That model should represent all versions.  If they somehow makes earlier MIG21 versions that is fine. I would prefer that the historical filter filtered weapons more than aircraft models. It's easy enough to find when certain aircraft started to be used. But finding out exactly what bombs and missiles a specific country had access to in a time period can be much harder to find an answer too.

[bies]

2 minutes ago, Gunfreak said:

As long as there is just 1 model of one aircraft. That model should represent all versions.  If they somehow makes earlier MIG21 versions that is fine. I would prefer that the historical filter filtered weapons more than aircraft models. It's easy enough to find when certain aircraft started to be used. But finding out exactly what bombs and missiles a specific country had access to in a time period can be much harder to find an answer too.

It would be fair, as some additional e.g. "Semi-Historical or Relaxed Filter".

[SOLIDKREATE]

I was just thinking this today while on the Contention GermanyCW server