VIRPIL Controls

[FireManDan]

Hey guys. Not sure if posting in the right fourm. I have a VIRPIL CM3 throttle coming in a week, and the control box and stick in about a month. Was wondering if anyone using the same setup or close to from VIRPIL and what your bindings are. Just looking for ideas. Going to have a lot of buttons Ill be able to bind. Plan on doing all of the HOTAS, emergency jet, maybe the APU stuff, and night vision. I already have the OSB controllers.

[biotech]

Here is my setup for A-10C with T-50CM2 Grip and T-50CM Throttle. For some functions you need to set axis as buttons in VPC Conf Tool (pinky switch, steer pt turn knob, page turn knob, airbrake switch).

The template is made in Libre Office Draw.

 

 

A-10C.odg A-10C.pdf

Edited March 8, 2021 by biotech

[FireManDan]

Awesome, thanks. Different throttle and stick but I got some ideas. I didnt know the A10 had a flashlight, i could never find the binding. What is it called in the control menu?

[biotech]

2 часа назад, FireManDan сказал:

I didnt know the A10 had a flashlight, i could never find the binding. What is it called in the control menu?

Press Left Alt + L while in A-10C keys configuration menu

[Hiob]

My first suggestion would be, see that you bind the red toggle switsches to virtual buttons in both directions (in the VPC Controlsoftware). By default they're only bound in one position.

Second, I have bound the flap-lever to three virtual buttons (0-5% = button 101, 30-70% = button 102, 95-100% = button 103 e.g.). That way I can use it for flaps with axis binding (e.g. P51D or Tomcat) or as digital buttons (e.g. A-10 or A-4).

[biotech]

3 часа назад, Hiob сказал:

Second, I have bound the flap-lever to three virtual buttons (0-5% = button 101, 30-70% = button 102, 95-100% = button 103 e.g.)

There only two buttons for flap lever in DCS A-10C. That means you have to press one button twice for full flaps, then the other button twice for no flaps. VPC Config Tool cant provide such logic for axis. I've tryed.

[Ziptie]

13 hours ago, biotech said:

There only two buttons for flap lever in DCS A-10C. That means you have to press one button twice for full flaps, then the other button twice for no flaps. VPC Config Tool cant provide such logic for axis. I've tryed.

 

 

For the TMWH, there are "special" keybinds for the flaps - which allows for the use of "UP" "MVR" "DN"

Does your Virpil HOTAS have a 3 position flap switch?  If so, wonder if you could input those same lines of code into the .lua so you could take advantage.  As you say, it is not possible to bind the flaps to an axis.  I believe the Tomcat is the only aircraft that I own, which has a flap control that can be bound that way.


Cheers,

Ziptie

[Hiob]

17 hours ago, biotech said:

There only two buttons for flap lever in DCS A-10C. That means you have to press one button twice for full flaps, then the other button twice for no flaps. VPC Config Tool cant provide such logic for axis. I've tryed.

There are more modules than A-10 you know. There are modules with 3 buttons/settings for flaps, as well as an axis for flaps...

I just showcased a way to double use an axis for axis AND buttons.

You can do it however you want to.....

[Caldera]

Hello,

 

I use the flaps lever for landing gear.

 

Caldera

[Bunny Clark]

I'm using an older Virpil throttle too, but many of the buttons will be similar. Here's what I'm doing:

 

 

[imacken]

On 3/8/2021 at 3:51 PM, biotech said:

There only two buttons for flap lever in DCS A-10C. That means you have to press one button twice for full flaps, then the other button twice for no flaps. VPC Config Tool cant provide such logic for axis. I've tryed.

That's not true.  I have the flaps lever with 3 buttons bound in VPC axis-to-button, 0-20,  40-60 and 80-100 to use for up, half (Hornet) and down.  You can bind more if you like.

[biotech]

19 часов назад, imacken сказал:

That's not true.  I have the flaps lever with 3 buttons bound in VPC axis-to-button, 0-20,  40-60 and 80-100 to use for up, half (Hornet) and down.  You can bind more if you like.

 

[imacken]

16 minutes ago, biotech said:

 

Not sure what your point is. My point was that you can define multiple buttons (or an axis) on the flaps lever in VPC software. 
Yes, the A-10C only uses up and down. 

[biotech]

12 минут назад, imacken сказал:

My point was that you can define multiple buttons (or an axis) on the flaps lever in VPC software

Yes, you can, but not for each of three flaps positions in A-10C. You can press the button once for half flaps, then once more for full flaps, then the other button for half flaps again, then same button for no flaps. In VPC Config tool you can't program such sequence for any axis, because controller does not process different directions of axis moving to different buttons.

Sorry for bad English.

[imacken]

6 minutes ago, biotech said:

Yes, you can, but not for each of three flaps positions in A-10C. You can press the button once for half flaps, then once more for full flaps, then the other button for half flaps again, then same button for no flaps. In VPC Config tool you can't program such sequence for any axis, because controller does not process different directions of axis moving to different buttons.

Sorry for bad English.

I'm confused. Firstly, I'm not aware the A-10C has half flaps, but I might be missing that.

Secondly, I'm still not sure what you mean.  I have my flaps lever (on right hand side of throttle) defined in VPC as 3 axis-to-buttons, as 0-20%, 40-60% and 80-100%. In modules such as A-10C, I push the lever forward for up flaps and aft for down flaps.  For modules with half flaps, e.g. Hornet, I do the same plus lever in the middle for half flaps.  So, I have no need for pressing any buttons twice as you are suggesting.

[LeCuvier]

I guess this is a VIRPIL discussion. I don't have a VIRPIL throttle so I'm a bit lost.

However, the A-10C (both versions) has a 3-position (UP/MVR/DN) flaps command that works with a 3-position switch (ON1-OFF-ON2).

I use it with the flaps switch on the TM WH throttle.

Unfortunately ED has only included it for the TM Warthog throttle. But it can be made available for other devices by copying these 2 lines into the "default.lua":

{down = iCommandPlane_FLAPS_UP, up = iCommandPlane_FLAPS_MNR_from_UP,name = _('Toggle Flaps Up'), category = _('Systems')},
{down = iCommandPlane_FLAPS_DN, up = iCommandPlane_FLAPS_MNR_from_DN,name = _('Toggle Flaps Dn'), category = _('Systems')},

 

[Caldera]

Hey Guys,

 

The A-10C has two down flap positions as imacken describes.  They are I believe, 10% (half) down and 20% (full) down.   Normally, one button press to go to 10% and two button presses to go to 20%.  The exact opposite is true for raising flaps, but requires a different button.  This can be a key press or a button press on for example a HOTAS.

 

From what can I gather, imacken has programed his analog flap lever axis on his CM3 to act as as buttons.   The Virpil software allows this to be possible.  When mapped to the control binding in the game it acts just like a physical button press.

 

This is pretty much exactly what I have done on my CM3 for raising and lowering the landing gear.  In difference, I personally have a two buttons mapped on my HOTAS for raising and lowering flaps.  I use a 4-way hat switch where fore and aft is speed brakes and up and down is flaps.

 

Caldera

[biotech]

9 часов назад, imacken сказал:

I push the lever forward for up flaps and aft for down flaps.  For modules with half flaps, e.g. Hornet, I do the same plus lever in the middle for half flaps.  So, I have no need for pressing any buttons twice as you are suggesting.

ok, let's bind buttons to axis positions for A-10C (0-20% for button 'A'; 80-100% for button 'B'). Suppose initially flaps in retracted position, axis in middle position (50%), no button pressed. Then move lever backward to 0-20%. Button 'A' will be pressed (short once or continuously, as configured in VPC Config Tool), flaps will move for one step down at half position and stop. How to extend full flaps? We have to move lever out from 0-20% then back to 0-20% for another "axis to button" event. And so on. Like sequentaly gearbox :)

All above concerns cases with only two configurable buttons for more than two fixed positions of anything.

 

5 часов назад, LeCuvier сказал:

But it can be made available for other devices by copying these 2 lines into the "default.lua":

Thank you, i'll try it!

[Caldera]

Hey,

 

51 minutes ago, biotech said:

ok, let's bind buttons to axis positions for A-10C (0-20% for button 'A'; 80-100% for button 'B'). Suppose initially flaps in retracted position, axis in middle position (50%), no button pressed. Then move lever backward to 0-20%. Button 'A' will be pressed (short once or continuously, as configured in VPC Config Tool), flaps will move for one step down at half position and stop. How to extend full flaps? We have to move lever out from 0-20% then back to 0-20% for another "axis to button" event. And so on. Like sequentaly gearbox :)

 

You could do it that way. 

 

Think about this:

0-20%        -->  Dead zone

20-40%     -->  Flap Up Button

40-60%     -->  Flap Up Button

60-80%     -->  Flap Down Button

80-100%   -->  Flap Down Button

 

You could put the dead zone at your preference.  It would also work at 40-60%.

 

This is kind of the reason I chose to use that axis for landing gear and use HOTAS buttons for flaps.  The P-51 has five stages of flaps and are used for combat maneuvering.  The A-10C two stages and not so much. 

 

I love the big beefy handle for use with landing gear it just needs to flash...

 

Caldera

[biotech]

34 минуты назад, Caldera сказал:

Think about this:

Yes, It should work )

[Hiob]

You can Setup the axis as a switch to trigger the button leds to light in a certain way....

That is if you don't use them in multiple layers...

[imacken]

I am confused by some things here. When my flaps lever is forward, flaps are fully up, and when the lever is aft, flaps are fully down. 
Can someone explain what is wrong with that behaviour in the light of all the double press discussion?

[FireManDan]

the a10 has 3 different positions for flaps, but only 2 key presses. 1 up, 1 down. so if you are full up, you need to press down twice or up twice for full down/up

[imacken]

No, I don't. That's my point!  Lever forward is up, lever aft is down. 

[Tippis]

3 hours ago, imacken said:

I am confused by some things here. When my flaps lever is forward, flaps are fully up, and when the lever is aft, flaps are fully down. 
Can someone explain what is wrong with that behaviour in the light of all the double press discussion?

It's the same as in the other thread: a lot of people are used to the special switch-abstraction binds available to the TMWH throttle and which can be modded over to apply to other hardware as well.

 

There is nothing “wrong” with the behaviour — you're just seeing different binding options than others do depending on what hardware you have and how you've modded (or not) the default bind files and action definitions provided by the module.