Forest Fires, Working "Bambi-buckets" and a CL 415 Super scooper !

[3WA]

10 hours ago, Baaz said:

Fact is, DCS is slowly evolving.

THIS.  Some people can't understand that is what it takes to make money and survive.  Remain niche, and you will soon be gone.

[3WA]

6 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

Maybe DCS should incorporate a farming simulator or bus driving. 

I actually wouldn't mind a drivable bus.

I could load up squads in it, and drive them to different places.

Edited April 24, 2021 by 3WA

[Hammer1-1]

On 4/22/2021 at 5:50 PM, SharpeXB said:

It’s Digital Combat Simulator... 

Guess you missed the Christen Eagle...

[SharpeXB]

1 hour ago, Mr_sukebe said:

 

Let me translate, "you have no idea of how many they're sold".

Seriously, don't bother joining a debating team, it really won't work out well for you.

Ok so if it’s sold so many copies why isn’t it finished yet? You guys seem to be a bit out of touch with gaming and such. Like DCS is the only thing you’ve ever seen on a computer. It’s in no way normal or “successful” to spend over three years making something as simple as the CEII. Other flight sims turn out entire games in much less time. The big civy flight sim had a full fidelity regional jet launched for it in less than a year. The CEII is not a success by any measure. Do you see any other civilian aircraft attempted for DCS? No. If it had been a successful idea then you’d see other 3rd party devs making similar modules. But you don’t. 

1 hour ago, Hammer1-1 said:

Guess you missed the Christen Eagle...

A failure, see above. 

1 hour ago, 3WA said:

THIS.  Some people can't understand that is what it takes to make money and survive.  Remain niche, and you will soon be gone.

I’m reminded of another flight sim which made an Su-27 stunt plane with laser guns for the Battle of Britain. It flopped. 

[3WA]

12 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

I’m reminded of another flight sim which made an Su-27 stunt plane with laser guns for the Battle of Britain. It flopped.

I laugh at people like you.  You remind me of some garbage a guy in another thread said.  You types always come up with the most ridiculous comparisons.  Show me where DCS stuck lasers on a plane.  You're desperation is showing.

 

I'll take DCS any day over a sim that features a half ass plane flying over a Google Earth map.

Edited April 24, 2021 by 3WA

[SharpeXB]

11 minutes ago, 3WA said:

I laugh at people like you.  You remind me of some garbage a guy in another thread said.  You types always come up with the most ridiculous comparisons.  Show me where DCS stuck lasers on a plane.  You're desperation is showing.

 

I'll take DCS any day over a sim that features a half ass plane flying over a Google Earth map.

 

What I mean by that example (it’s a true story) is a sim wasting it’s resources creating content that just isn’t relevant to the purpose of the game.

Hey if a third party wants to throw away money on civilian planes for DCS they’re free to do that I suppose. But you don’t see any more civilian modules imitating the CEII, do you? No. Because it was a failure. If it was successful you’d see it imitated. 

[3WA]

I don't think the CEII is a failure.  Some of the groups here are EXTREMELY small.  Everyone whose been here a while knows patience is key.  And I'd still take DCS over that "other" sim.  DCS has at least somewhat of a World below.  Not just a visual fake like the other one.

 

Hell, I've been waiting for 13 years for the Ka-50 to get Iglas.   There's been HUGE debates over it.  I can wait a little longer.  They're coming.

 

And actually, I'm hoping a certain group that makes really well simulated civilian airliners comes over to DCS.  That would be awesome!

Edited April 24, 2021 by 3WA

[Rick50]

 

I don't think the Yak has any weapons either, a trainer only for flying. 

 

As for bus simulators, I myself would like to see taxis. Battle taxis in Combined Arms The SEquel: This time it's PERSONAL!!  

 

That way I've got trupes for my M-113 APC's!  

Edited April 24, 2021 by Rick50

[Hammer1-1]

58 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Ok so if it’s sold so many copies why isn’t it finished yet? You guys seem to be a bit out of touch with gaming and such. Like DCS is the only thing you’ve ever seen on a computer. It’s in no way normal or “successful” to spend over three years making something as simple as the CEII. Other flight sims turn out entire games in much less time. The big civy flight sim had a full fidelity regional jet launched for it in less than a year. The CEII is not a success by any measure. Do you see any other civilian aircraft attempted for DCS? No. If it had been a successful idea then you’d see other 3rd party devs making similar modules. But you don’t. 

A failure, see above. 

I’m reminded of another flight sim which made an Su-27 stunt plane with laser guns for the Battle of Britain. It flopped. 

Hate to break it to ya, but the CE is not a failure. The fact its in DCS at all should tell you something, but you obviously know everything about DCS. Far better than the VEAO Hawk btw, which DID fail. Obviously what you know is different than what actually is.

Edited April 24, 2021 by Hammer1-1

[SharpeXB]

2 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said:

Hate to break it to ya, but the CE is not a failure.

It’s still unfinished after over three years. That’s a failure. 

[Hammer1-1]

54 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

It’s still unfinished after over three years. That’s a failure. 

Im sorry, I dont recall them taking it out of DCS. Is the Hornet a failure as well? If thats your qualification of a failed module, then thats the majority of what we have flyable in DCS now.

Edited April 24, 2021 by Hammer1-1

[SharpeXB]

4 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said:

Im sorry, I dont recall them taking it out of DCS. Is the Hornet a failure as well? If thats your qualification of a failed module, then thats the majority of what we have flyable in DCS now.

 

The other DCS modules are vastly more complex than the CEII, it’s understandable why they take so long to complete. Although I would consider a prolonged languishing in EA a mark of failure for any module. The F/A-18C is nearly complete. I’ll ask again why a simple prop plane takes 3 1/2 years to complete. The obvious answer is that not enough people have purchased it in order to fund it. 

[Hammer1-1]

If that were the case, then leatherneck wouldnt be working on other aircraft either. Ask why there isnt a fully complete Razbam module yet, but just because its not a highly sought out module doesnt mean it failed as a business model. Theres also the Yak and I16 that arent finished either due to manpower. The ONLY module that failed was the VEAO Hawk TR.1, and I believe everyone here regrets putting money down for that....thing. I KNOW I do.

[Exorcet]

Would be a great fit for DCS and another opportunity to add civil aircraft

[SharpeXB]

48 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said:

The ONLY module that failed was the VEAO Hawk TR.1,

So far...

And apparently the CEII is pretty horrible

48 minutes ago, Hammer1-1 said:

 Ask why there isnt a fully complete Razbam module yet

The M-2000C is complete, so is the AV-8B

Edited April 24, 2021 by SharpeXB

[Hammer1-1]

1 hour ago, SharpeXB said:

So far...

And apparently the CEII is pretty horrible

The M-2000C is complete, so is the AV-8B

 

Not really if Chuck has to keep updating his guides regularly and all of the training missions are all out of date.

 

Now for the CE2, Im not an expert on it, and I dont really care about it. I know a few Yak pilots who also say the exact same thing about the one in DCS. I also see that in damned near every module we have; the Gaz comes to mind. Doesnt mean anything other than it needs work. Same could be said for DCS as a whole. Point is that because the word Combat is front and center in the DCS name doesnt necessarily mean what you think it means. Im willing to bet that there would be a mad dash to get a Cessna Skyhawk if someone ever did one for this sim as its the most common GA aircraft out there. Prove me wrong with a poll.

[Mr_sukebe]

I’ll say it again, I own the CE2 and it’s now really good.  Sure the flight model was a mess initially, but that’s certainly not true now.

 

as for discouraging other developers away from simple aircraft, well the Yak came out after the CE2.  I bought that too and really enjoy pottering about in it.

[Tippis]

2 hours ago, Hammer1-1 said:

Now for the CE2, Im not an expert on it, and I dont really care about it.

The CE2 is one of the most entertaining planes in all of DCS to fly if you just want to… you know… fly. It's not so good at taking down BMPs, though… but it creaks very nicely when you try to dodge them.  

 

Also, the original idea is neat, if nothing else because of the assets it would bring to the table.

Edited April 24, 2021 by Tippis

[BIGNEWY]

My personal view is any aircraft added to DCS is a bonus, I like civilian as much as I like military.

I would like to see civilian roles for aircraft and helicopters added in the future, anything that gives more choice for us is good for gameplay. The team is aware of the need for more taskings for helicopters for example and it is being discussed internally.

 

Feel free to have an opinion just dont force it on others and keep it civil.

 

thanks

[SharpeXB]

9 hours ago, Hammer1-1 said:

Not really if Chuck has to keep updating his guides regularly and all of the training missions are all out of date.

Those modules are no longer in Early Access. As for the M-2000C I can tell that the training missions and manual have been updated. The module was out of early access quite a while ago but it still gets improvements. That’s normal for every module. 

[ebabil]

6 hours ago, BIGNEWY said:

My personal view is any aircraft added to DCS is a bonus, I like civilian as much as I like military.

I would like to see civilian roles for aircraft and helicopters added in the future, anything that gives more choice for us is good for gameplay. The team is aware of the need for more taskings for helicopters for example and it is being discussed internally.

 

Feel free to have an opinion just dont force it on others and keep it civil.

 

thanks

 

that's great!

+1 for fire fihgt and other stuff

[SharpeXB]

9 hours ago, Hammer1-1 said:

Im willing to bet that there would be a mad dash to get a Cessna Skyhawk if someone ever did one for this sim as its the most common GA aircraft out there. Prove me wrong with a poll.

Here it is. The majority are against the idea, by almost 2:1

. 

Edited April 24, 2021 by SharpeXB

[Tippis]

38 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Those modules are no longer in Early Access.

…but they are clearly not complete, as anyone who has been paying attention to Razbam's constant fiddling will attest to.

 

30 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Here it is. The majority are against the idea, by almost 2:1

So in other words, there is a sizeable audience for it, more than enough to warrant spending time and effort on making it happen. People being against don't matter — the only number that is how many would be interested in having it because they're the ones who would make it profitable (or not).

 

It certainly has a place in the game, and that plus the kind of audience you just showed was available, means it would be a good addition. Sucks when your arguments end up proving the exact opposite of what you were hoping for, huh?  

Edited April 24, 2021 by Tippis

[ebabil]

being against these kind of stuff is like being against smart phones. "dude, this is called "phone" why would we take photos with it or listening music?"

 

[Hammer1-1]

1 hour ago, SharpeXB said:

Here it is. The majority are against the idea, by almost 2:1

. 

 

And just because theres a BIGGER demand for combat doesnt mean theres 0 demand for it. The poll just shows that 1/3 of the people here would buy one.