Squid_DK Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 I use the CH Family (sighterstick, pro throttle and pedals) that combined with Track IR 4 is a (IMHO) very good setup, albeit a fairly pricey one. Still I won't say one stick is better than any other it all depends on the feel for the person using it. Staffan http://www.ipms.dk i7 9700K, Asus Z390 Prime A, Be Quiet Dark Rock Pro 4, GeForce RTX 2080 Ti STRIX ROG, Fractal Design Define R6, Thrustmaster Warthog HOTAS, MFG Crosswind, Oculus Rift S. 32 GB 3200 MHz RAM
DTWD Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 Playing a flight sim without some sort of head tracking, even something as little as what FC does, is unbelievably bad. You don't realise how much your using something like TIR until it's gone. TIR with 6DOF (FSX for example) is something else, the freedom it gives you and the ability to see things properly is game changing. Being able to lean around obsticles in your cockpit makes landing a breeze most of the time and you can now actually use your dials and readouts without plowing into a hill as it now only takes a split second to look down and back again. All that said about tracking though the biggest imersion tool is a joystick and throttle. I have an x52 pro and I have to say it's brilliant, I barely have to use the keyboard...in fact the only reason I do is when I realise I have forgot to bind something. Something like the x52 with it's 10 billion buttons and combinations is very usefull as you can standardise your keys and controls to the same buttons and dials no matter what sim/game your in. That way you know precisly which button it is to do what, which can really help in the heat of "battle". I also have some saitek pedals and initially I thought they were a waist of money as I hardly used them, and then I set them up correctly and now although I am still not convinced I really needed them they do help with the realisim and the precise control you may require at times. Unlike the joystick, throttle and TIR though you won't be using all the time, but when the need arises that you do need to use them then they suddenly become very valuable. That said in a helecopter sim I can see them being more usefull. For me I would get an X52 Pro, then a TIR 4 Pro then some rudder pedals if you get a bit of spare cash at some point. Regards Paul Regards [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
deviletk Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 Thanks Red Tiger and Aeroscout for the clarification! Talking about TrackIR i gotta admit im without one myself. I have managed to play well using the POV for "thumb-look-around" until now. TrackIR is on the buy-list and i will have one when BS pops out on the market. This is though one other thing you need to know MIP, that without a POV HAT on a joystick (a "hat" button that you can move 4 or 8 directions), you will fly without the ability to turn your head. At least not reasonable intuitive. Move your fingers from throttle or stick to look around... Not a good deal my friend. ;) You want to keep your eyes on the bad guys when you chasing them through that canyon! Regards Alex Regards Alex "Snuffer" D. AMD FX8350 (8 core) 4.1GHZ ::: 8GB Dominator 1600mhz ::: GTX660 2GB ::: 2xHD ::: 24" ASUS
Ratel Posted October 6, 2008 Posted October 6, 2008 Im in the exat same boat Mip. I think the best thing for none track IR guys is if the mouse "Clicker" stays in the center of the screen and we move the mouse and veiw like that, you would have to move the mouse sometimes anyway for the cockpit controls. Then just have a center screen button and the hat switch controls fore, aft, left, right translation.
upyr1 Posted October 7, 2008 Posted October 7, 2008 Bit of a contradictory post here....If you want a good cheap joystick get a saitek aviator or a saitek I forgot the name it's a good one, I'd get the cougar HOTAS. No you really cant play very well at all with just mouse/keyboard I have the x52 by Saitek it's not to pricy and it's a nice system
element1108 Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 Yeah I have X52 as well. You can get for under a $100 on ebay as well as online stores. It has a twist stick so you'll save some money on pedals if you can't be bothered. Pedals would be nice, but in a downtown condo space or lack there of is an issue. I have to hide my "geek sticks" (throttle/joystick) when company comes over to thwart ridicule ;). heheh. Preference is everything though and cost. Tracker IR is reasonably priced $129 US last I saw and I think it adds a extensively immersive experience (especially in a game like BS) Pretty sure all the producer notes vid's are used in association with TIR. (I could be wrong however).
Revelation Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 I have an x45 that has worked flawlessly for 4 or so years. If you're on a budget the Saitek series can't be beat, everyone will agree there. When this thing finally dies on me I'll try the CH or Cougar setups. DTWD laid out the perfect buying sequence. Follow that and you won't be disappointed along the way. I have TIR3 w/vector expansion and the Saitek Rudder pedals, you can pick up TIR3 with vector expansion very cheep these days. Just keep your eyse open for deals and grab them along the way. I also concur with what most have said, once you fly with HOTAS & TIR3/4 you will never fly without them again. Good luck and I look forward to seeing you in the weeds... Win 10 Pro 64Bit | 49" UWHD AOC 5120x1440p | AMD 5900x | 64Gb DDR4 | RX 6900XT
Maximus_G Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 Guys, don't haste running buying a brand new TrackIR. FreeTrack v.2.2 now supports Wiimote, and the latter is a brilliant device which has its own "trackir" inside, among its other abilities, while its price is just about 50$. If you want to save some money, just wait until there's a good step-by-step recipe of using Wiimote as a motion tracker.
Roge Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 Hello, has anyone here got Simpeds? Im trying to decide whether to go for those or the CH pedal set. Im thinking Simpeds at the moment. http://www.contact-simulations.com/acatalog/PRO_PEDALS_USB.html http://www.dhs-electronic.de/homeeng.htm :book:
sobek Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 Btw, the newest FreeTrack, version 2.2, offers a HUGE improvement in tracking stability and responsiveness (at least with my current webcam), i suggest anyone to check it out as a true alternative to TrackIR. Good, fast, cheap. Choose any two. Come let's eat grandpa! Use punctuation, save lives!
Shaman Posted October 8, 2008 Posted October 8, 2008 Hello, has anyone here got Simpeds? Im trying to decide whether to go for those or the CH pedal set. Im thinking Simpeds at the moment. http://www.contact-simulations.com/acatalog/PRO_PEDALS_USB.html http://www.dhs-electronic.de/homeeng.htm I have just requested SIMPED for quotation of 1EA for me. If the price is right I'm getting SIMPED. 51PVO Founding member (DEC2007-) 100KIAP Founding member (DEC2018-) :: Shaman aka [100☭] Shamansky tail# 44 or 444 [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] 100KIAP Regiment Early Warning & Control officer
urze Posted October 9, 2008 Posted October 9, 2008 (edited) FreeTrack 2.2 is available. Nintendo™ Wiimote™ can now be used as a high quality tracking device -nearly no CPU usage and steady 100fps. http://www.free-track.net/english/ I was curious if there was an advantage with the Wii Remote. I borrowed one from a friend that has a Wii to try it out. I was actually amazed at the difference. Tracking is very accurate and smooth. The Wii Remote auto adjust the oreintation. Tracking is almost perfect. source: http://forum.free-track.net/index.php?showtopic=1173 FreeTrack Wickipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FreeTrack Edited October 9, 2008 by urze Leftside Limited - ideas and solutions
deviletk Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 Does anyone know if the saitek X45 throttle connector can be converted to USB and used stand alone? Im going to buy a CH stick, but thaught i might be able to use my X45 throttle for a while (not the wealthiest man atm) by just get a converter plug to USB. Regards Alex Regards Alex "Snuffer" D. AMD FX8350 (8 core) 4.1GHZ ::: 8GB Dominator 1600mhz ::: GTX660 2GB ::: 2xHD ::: 24" ASUS
-Skipper- Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 Does anyone know if the saitek X45 throttle connector can be converted to USB and used stand alone? Im going to buy a CH stick, but thaught i might be able to use my X45 throttle for a while (not the wealthiest man atm) by just get a converter plug to USB. Regards Alex I don't think so. From my experience with modding joysticks, I'd say that most if not all use the standard-ports because they are cheaper, but they map the pins as they need to, not as they are mapped as a joystick. I just scrapped my modded X45, though, to get some spareparts for a new panel, so I can't confirm that for this particular stick. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
urze Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 (edited) In the base of throttle is enough space for the cartridge of the Stick. 1.Open the Base of the Stick and disconnect all wires that go to the handle. (It will not disturb the function of the Throttle) and unscrew the connector for the throttle. 2.0pen the base of the Throttle. 3. Tape the cable with the left electronics of the stick together and put them into the base of the throttle. 4. lead the USB cable outside of the Throttle and close the Base. Done it 6 moth ago within 30 min and I have unfortunately no pictures. Edit: What I've described is a transplantation of all Stick elements (that are required for a proper function) to the base of the throttle. The Outcome is a X45 throttle without the Stick but a USB connection and still programmable. Edited October 11, 2008 by urze Leftside Limited - ideas and solutions
deviletk Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 Oh wow thanks Urze! :) The number 4 "lead the USB cable outside throttle", how do i know wich of all those cables will go into the USB? Thanks again. Regards Alex "Snuffer" D. AMD FX8350 (8 core) 4.1GHZ ::: 8GB Dominator 1600mhz ::: GTX660 2GB ::: 2xHD ::: 24" ASUS
urze Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 (edited) At the end of this cable you will find a USB connector you can plug in you computer/hub. :music_whistling: :) Edited October 11, 2008 by urze Leftside Limited - ideas and solutions
-Skipper- Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 In the base of throttle is enough space for the cartridge of the Stick. 1.Open the Base of the Stick and disconnect all wires that go to the handle. (It will not disturb the function of the Throttle) and unscrew the connector for the throttle. 2.0pen the base of the Throttle. 3. Tape the cable with the left electronics of the stick together and put them into the base of the throttle. 4. lead the USB cable outside of the Throttle. Done it 6 moth ago within 30 min and I have unfortunately no pictures. Hmmm... :huh: My memories must play tricks on me. I was convinced the USB-Cable is located on the STICK on the X45 and the Throttle was plugged into the stick, as opposed to the X52, where you plug the stick into the throttle. On the other hand, why would deviletk ask about the gameport-plug when only asking about the X45 throttle, then? I must confess I'm a bit confused? [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
deviletk Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 (edited) @Urze: Thanks a lot Urze! /Alex Edited October 11, 2008 by deviletk Regards Alex "Snuffer" D. AMD FX8350 (8 core) 4.1GHZ ::: 8GB Dominator 1600mhz ::: GTX660 2GB ::: 2xHD ::: 24" ASUS
-Skipper- Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 (edited) @Urze: Oh what!? There is a USB cable lurking inside the stick base together with the throttle cable? Haha awesome. This was better than i thaught. Thanks a lot Urze! /Alex I think there's a misunderstanding here. I know my X45 mod is over 2 years old, so please fresh up my memory, deviletk: You have a USB-cable on the stick, right? And you plug the throttle into the port on the stick, correct? I'm not sure, as Urze is something like the Guru of modders, but I'm pretty sure there's a misunderstanding here. What Urze says is correct for the X52, but not for the X45, if I'm not completely wrong here, as you plug the throttle into the stick on the X45 if I'm not totally wrong. Edited October 11, 2008 by -Skipper- [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
-Skipper- Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 Ah, no, strike that. Urze recommends to put the sticks-internals into the base of the throttle. Well, then you have the USB-connector in the throtte of course. :doh: Sorry, shouldn't read while working ;) [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
urze Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 (edited) @Skipper Please read all steps carefully again. What I've described is a transplantation of all Stick elements (that are required for a proper function) to the base of the throttle. The Outcome is a X45 throttle without the Stick but a USB connection and still programmable. Edited October 11, 2008 by urze Leftside Limited - ideas and solutions
deviletk Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 EDIT: RGR!!! :) Got confused too. Sorry english isnt my native language ofcourse, and explaining in general is lacking a bit too. Thanks guys. ;) /Alex Regards Alex "Snuffer" D. AMD FX8350 (8 core) 4.1GHZ ::: 8GB Dominator 1600mhz ::: GTX660 2GB ::: 2xHD ::: 24" ASUS
-Skipper- Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 @Skipper Please read all steps carefully again. What I'm described is a transplantation of all Stick elements (that are required for a popper function) to the base of the throttle. The Outcome is a X45 throttle without the Stick but a USB connection and still programmable. Yeah, I noticed. I was just confused by deviletks post: Oh what!? There is a USB cable lurking inside the stick base together with the throttle cable? Haha awesome. This was better than i thaught. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
-Skipper- Posted October 11, 2008 Posted October 11, 2008 Hmm yeah... I think we got a misunderstanding on our hands lol. I do have the X45 and i dont want to use the stick, only the X45 throttle. And i want to use it together with a CH stick. So i need to make the X45 throttle cable into a USB plug instead of whatever it is now. Argh im confused too. Maybe im stuck using my X45 until i can afford the CH (Stick & throttle). No, but as Urze said, you have to take the X45-Stick apart, remove the internals from the stick. You unplug the connectors, except for the USB-Cable. Then you place it inside the throttle-case, with the cable from the throttle connected to the port of the hardware you took from the stick-base. You can now place the USB-cable through the hole for the former cables and use the throttle next to your stick. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC]
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