Air Refueling Cheat

[SharpeXB]

2 hours ago, Archduke said:

For me having to AAR instantly rules out a mission/campaign

Why would this be? There’s an option for unlimited fuel and most all the campaigns I see have a workaround for AAR

2 hours ago, Archduke said:

But I've got a quite time demanding job and DCS is only one hobby.

We all have lives and jobs and such. Your situation is not unique. 

2 hours ago, Archduke said:

If I find time for DCS there are more important things to learn for me than AAR.

Then this is your choice. Why should ED spend the effort to create an easy mode for something you have decided not to practice? That’s your own choice. 

[Tippis]

22 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Why would this be? There’s an option for unlimited fuel and most all the campaigns I see have a workaround for AAR

Because unlimited fuel isn't an option (you won't know this because you are not familiar with how DCS works), and even when it is it is still not a good option to replace AAR as has been explainnedd to you in full. And the fact that there are workarounds only serves to prove the point that this kind of thing is needed. So all you're saying here is that the option you are failing to argue against should indeed exist.

 

22 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

We all have lives and jobs and such. Your situation is not unique. 

That's not what he said, though, so you're talking from a position of complete ignorance as you always do.

 

22 minutes ago, SharpeXB said:

Why should ED spend the effort to create an easy mode for something you have decided not to practice?

Because it is in line with how they describe their product. Are you saying ED should no longer develop the product they're selling?

Because they have for everything else. Are you saying ED should remove all the study-sim aspects of this game?

Because it would massively improve the game and create more content for everyone. Are you saying that you don't want any cnotent?

Because it would allow him to chance his decision and make the practice worth-while. Are you saying that he shouldn't be encouraged to practice?

 

If you think about it, and I know you can't, these are all very obvious answers to a massively stupid question that you have been told over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again, and yet you actively refuse to understand. Your decision to remain ignorant does not make the question any less stupid — only more so. In fact, it is so catastrophically stupid that no-one has been able to articulate a single cogent argument against his idea. “Practice more” is not an argument against tools that help people practice. Quite the opposite.

Edited July 11, 2021 by Tippis

[Archduke]

 

4 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

Why would this be? There’s an option for unlimited fuel and most all the campaigns I see have a workaround for AAR

We all have lives and jobs and such. Your situation is not unique. 

Then this is your choice. Why should ED spend the effort to create an easy mode for something you have decided not to practice? That’s your own choice. 

Of course I know that my position isn’t unique, which is exactly the reason for ED to implement such assists. Wouldn’t make sense for them only to please one Archduke. But I bet ED really would like to have more customers. So they should make their game more accessible by offering assists — which n.b. isn’t the same as making the game „arcadey“ or „simple“.

 

Incidentally this touches my biggest beef with DCS: The training missions may be training (most of them are just a quick how-to) but there‘s no real consistent curriculum and no real instructor. For people who can’t join a virtual squadron eg because of time constraints this means haphazardly stumbling through a highly complex learning process. From a teaching perspective I really shudder to think about this.

 

So I would love to see a consistent, gradual training curriculum for learning to fly these planes. Banklers Case I mission is a good example but it’s only one single mission. That’s like me giving someone a violin and and telling him „You figure it out yourself.“ Sure, he might figure something out but the result would be crap. So in DCS either you already know what you do, you don’t care if it’s wrong what you do or you have to join a virtual squadron.

 

This is where I would spend a lot more money than for the aircraft and terrain modules. Give me a well made flight school campaign starting with real basics and then going on to teach AAR and stuff and I’d happily pay monthly or yearly subscription fees.

 

 Sorry, I just had to get this off my chest. I love DCS but the unnecessary lack of consistent instruction bothers me.

Edited July 12, 2021 by Archduke

[Черный Дракул]

On 7/11/2021 at 6:14 AM, September said:

I have been playing the game for at least or over a year and yes I do know how to adjust curves but it is simply impractical to go in and change them just to refuel, then change them back afterwards.

 

22 hours ago, Furiz said:

Just practice and patience

leads to an outright ugly and obviously wrong result.

 

6 hours ago, Harlikwin said:

curves can help but that should be a part of your general plane setup

That should not. A general joystick does not have enough gimbal range to allow for 1:1 curves, and nav/dogfight response curves are not requiring precision that's demanded in AAR. Of course, there's always capacity of in-flight re-setup (mentioned above by me)...

 

6 hours ago, Furiz said:

you don't want to spend time to learn AAR

As clearly and multiple times explained in this topic, DCS does not have the tools necessary to learn AAR. Reinventing the wheel based on guesswork and building up harmful habits, as demonstrated above, is not learning. 

  

5 hours ago, SharpeXB said:

Why should ED spend the effort to create an easy mode for something you have decided not to practice?

Perhaps because you need to learn AAR as well? And many other players that somehow think they've mastered it while in reality they have not? You guys don't even see how far you fall from what it should be. At least "watch bots do it" option

Spoiler

 

allows you to see how it should be done, which is a great thing. 

Edited July 12, 2021 by Черный Дракул

[Furiz]

1 hour ago, Черный Дракул said:

As clearly and multiple times explained in this topic, DCS does not have the tools necessary to learn AAR. Reinventing the wheel based on guesswork and building up harmful habits, as demonstrated above, is not learning.

 

Are you even reading anything here?

 

He is asking for a cheat, not for a training course.

 

They are constantly, in this thread, asking for AAR cheat, and you like some crazy old woman just repeat its not proper learning its not proper learning bla bla bla.

Do you have mental issues?

Your posts just like the ones from Tippis don't make sense, this thread is not about proper training, it is about cheating to do AAR.

 

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT CREATING CHEAT FOR AAR, NOT ABOUT PROPER TRAINING COURSE (which would be great to have in DCS), DO YOU GET IT NOW, or should I talk slowly?

 

So lets repeat for Черный Дракул:

THIS THREAD

IS NOT ABOUT

PROPER TRAINING COURSE,

IT IS ABOUT

CREATING A CHEAT

FOR EASY AAR

 

Do you see it now?

 

So now that we got that out of the way, hopefully, how is this cheat going to make them learn proper AAR?

[Archduke]

16 minutes ago, Furiz said:

 

Are you even reading anything here?

 

He is asking for a cheat, not for a training course.

 

They are constantly, in this thread, asking for AAR cheat, and you like some crazy old woman just repeat its not proper learning its not proper learning bla bla bla.

Do you have mental issues?

Your posts just like the ones from Tippis don't make sense, this thread is not about proper training, it is about cheating to do AAR.

 

THIS THREAD IS ABOUT CREATING CHEAT FOR AAR, NOT ABOUT PROPER TRAINING COURSE (which would be great to have in DCS), DO YOU GET IT NOW, or should I talk slowly?

 

So lets repeat for Черный Дракул:

THIS THREAD

IS NOT ABOUT

PROPER TRAINING COURSE,

IT IS ABOUT

CREATING A CHEAT

FOR EASY AAR

 

Do you see it now?

 

So now that we got that out of the way, hopefully, how is this cheat going to make them learn proper AAR?

Whoa, I guess we should all take a deep breath.

 

 Let’s not derail this discussion by semantics, one man’s „assists“ seem to be another man’s „cheat“.

 

Personally I would like a trainings course and configurable assists. If you want to call this a „cheat“, I can understand your reasoning, even if I don’t agree.

 

 But: What is it to you? You won’t lose a single mp dogfight because of this. And I will wholeheartedly agree that you’re certainly a better pilot than I will ever be. But you won’t ever notice me using these assists to learn. So I repeat: What is it to you? You still can be proud of your accomplishment of having learned to AAR without any „cheats“. The existence of configurable assists won’t take that away from you.

[Tippis]

1 hour ago, Furiz said:

So lets repeat for Черный Дракул:

THIS THREAD

IS NOT ABOUT

PROPER TRAINING COURSE,

IT IS ABOUT

CREATING A CHEAT

FOR EASY AAR

Let's repeat for Furiz:

ANYTHING THAT CAN BE USED TO TRAIN AAR CAN ALSO BE USED AS A CHEAT AND VICE VERSA.

That's how every other cheat-and-also-training-tool in the entire game works. This will not be any different because it fundamentally cannot be any different.

 

Before you start slinging abuse at others, maybe take a step back and actually try to understand what people are telling you.

 

And the thread is not just about some cheat for AAR. Take your own advice and read the OP: it's about removing the frustration(s) connected to AAR, which can be done in a myriad of ways. If you read the OP, you'll note that he already can AAR, using a control scheme that most would (and indeed have) balked at. People keep repeating "practice practice", which then by your standards also have no place in the thread since it doesn't actually discusses the supposed cheat-and-only-cheat. See how that works?

 

1 hour ago, Furiz said:

how is this cheat going to make them learn proper AAR?

Depends on what and how it is done, but every single one proposed so far will.

This has been explained in full for each and every one of them.

Edited July 12, 2021 by Tippis

[BIGNEWY]

Thread has run its course, thanks for all the feedback. 

 

I would suggest some of you count to 10 before typing, please read the forum rules at the top of the page. 

 

thanks