Using FFB Nose keeps going up.

[johnjar]

          I am having trouble flying the Mosquito.  I am using the force feedback setting with my Sidewinder Force Feedback 2.  I am flying free flight from the instant action menu.  The problem is the nose keeps going up.  I can push the stick forward and make the nose go down, but when I center the stick it goes up again.  So the stick is working and the nose keeps going up.  Also adjusting the trim or the throttle does not help.  If I use a stick that is not force feedback (X56), it works fine.  I have the P-51D module and it work fine with the same settings.  Please, tell me if I can supply more information.  Thank you very much for your help!  johnjar, johnsonjar28@yahoo.com

I was wrong.  I just checked again and my X56 stick has the same problem.  I am sure it was working before.  So I don't know what has changed.  Can you give some things to try or some things to check.  Thanks again!

 

Edited October 4, 2021 by johnjar

[speed-of-heat]

can you trim it out?

[speed-of-heat]

and have you checked that multiple axis are not bound

[johnjar]

No trimming does not help.  No multiple axis are bound.  I tried a simpler stick with no force feedback ( Logitech Extreme 3D Pro ) and it works great.  I also reinstalled the X56 software and that did not fix the problem.  Thanks for the help, I will double check them.

[Art-J]

Using game flight mode instead of simualtion one? Trims and FFB are often known to not work with either of these.

 

In a similar spirit - using game flight controls assignments for simulation flight mode, or simulation control assignments for game flight mode?

[johnjar]

I have never used game flight mode for any aircraft.  I don't think I have setup any game flight mode controls either.  Also I don't see how they could get reversed; if that is what you mean.  I am sorry but I don't fully understand what you wrote.  Please, explain it in more detail.  I am not saying you are wrong.  I just don't understand.  I'm always ready to learn something new.  Thanks for your help!

[johnjar]

I have rotary controls assigned to each of the trims.  I found that if I first adjust each trim to get straight and level flight using the keyboard; I can then make adjustments as needed using each rotary.  I never had to do this for the P-51D.  I guess just another difference between British and American planes.  I'm still not sure it is working right, but at least it is kind of flyable.  More help will be greatly appreciated!

[Nealius]

8 hours ago, johnjar said:

I found that if I first adjust each trim to get straight and level flight using the keyboard; I can then make adjustments as needed using each rotary.

 This part sounds unusual. It really seems like the Mossie has some trim issues with input devices as per the other thread on trim sensitivity. 

[rkk01]

I found the Mossie difficult to trim using the “click pit” trim adjusters…

 

The good news though - getting a good trim is dead easy once mapped, in my case to the stick hat switches (well, to two of them)

 

I have rudder trim and elevator trim mapped to one hat switch and aileron trim to another 

 

My “process” for trimming after take-off

 

- dial out the T/O rudder trim

- trim nose down to dial out the very strong nose up tendency

- add some aileron trim to neutralise the left roll tendency

 

She will then fly pretty steady with only occasional and fairly minimal stick inputs

[Art-J]

19 hours ago, johnjar said:

I have never used game flight mode for any aircraft.  I don't think I have setup any game flight mode controls either.  Also I don't see how they could get reversed; if that is what you mean.  I am sorry but I don't fully understand what you wrote.  Please, explain it in more detail.  I am not saying you are wrong.  I just don't understand.  I'm always ready to learn something new.  Thanks for your help!

 

What I mean is - both flight modes use separate control assignment tables in options ("easy" and "real" / "sim" ) and it's possible to bind controls in easy category and fly in sim mode by mistake (or the other way around). Unexperienced DCS players do that sometimes.

 

18 hours ago, johnjar said:

I have rotary controls assigned to each of the trims.  I found that if I first adjust each trim to get straight and level flight using the keyboard; I can then make adjustments as needed using each rotary.  I never had to do this for the P-51D.  I guess just another difference between British and American planes.  I'm still not sure it is working right, but at least it is kind of flyable.  More help will be greatly appreciated!

 

There was no difference between UK and US planes in this regard and thus their trims implementation in the sim should be and work the same. Just one input device, whether keyboard or Joystick/HOTAS, should suffice. That being said, it's not uncommon for early access DCS airplane to have FFB support messed up somehow. I don't own Sidewinder FF2, though, so can't help more I'm afraid.

[Ramsay]

23 hours ago, johnjar said:

I am having trouble flying the Mosquito.  I am using the force feedback setting with my Sidewinder Force Feedback 2.  I am flying free flight from the instant action menu.

 

TL;DR:

You'll want to enter "Options>Controls>Mosquito FB Mk. VI Sim" and swap DCS's force axis outputs to match the MSFFB2.

 

This post about setting up FFB for the Yak-52 covers it in more detail.

 

 

[johnjar]

Thank you very much everyone for your help with my problem!!  I will keep trying and checking the things you wrote.  Also thanks for giving me more detail.  I think I understand it now.