Cougar Profile for BS (Level Med-High).

[Legolasindar]

Trimmer and Trimmer Reset = Only affect trim of simulator. This only trim axis in the game, not in the cougar, if you leave the game, you Cougar have no trimed axis.

 

Trim Cougar and Trim Cougar Reset = Only affect trim of Cougar. This affect only axis of the Cougar, if you leave the game, you Cougar have trimed axis, and affect all simulators. Obviusly if you have trimed Cougar, in game you see axis trimed, but this trimed is controlled by Cougar, not by BS.

 

For other reason. I paste information in Foxy Help:

 

Command syntax

 

LOCK (Axis_Identifier, Lock_Value)

UNLOCK (Axis_Identifier)

 

where Axis_Identifier is:

 

JOYX, JOYY (together termed JOYSTICK)

THR

RNG, ANT (together termed ROTARIES)

MIX, MIY (together termed MICROSTICK)

LBRK, RBRK (together termed TOEBRAKES)

RDDR

 

Lock_Value is:

 

either 0 to 100%, or simply just LASTVALUE

 

For example:

 

BTN S2 /I LOCK (THR, 100%)

/O UNLOCK (THR)

 

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If you look can Lock axis individually. You can assign for example one button for Lock X and one button for Lock Y. You can use both lock, and when need correct ciclyc unlock one axis, correct and lock.

But personally i prefer one button for both Axis, and correct wind or Locking with both axis, or using rudders. When you lock, only lock Joystick, not rudders, you can use rudders for correct desviation, its very useful, but need go with carefull, in more than 150 Km/h you blades can crash if you set rudders at the limits quickly.

Edited January 4, 2009 by Legolasindar

[Fakum]

As usual, your very helpful, thanks for explaining this. I was experimenting with trim for a few hours last nite. Like I mentioned before, I like to trim the nose down before launce using the H1 switch, and just keep it there. So I figured out last night that if I only use the Cougar trim after that, and I reset Cougar trim, my cyclic does indeed default back to the setting I made before take off,,,this is great! Exactly what I wanted, now comes the drawback I noticed. If I pitch nose down say 15 degrees or 20, and lock trim using Cougar trim lock only, it will lock there according to the diamond, but the nose will rise up and stay at a much less pitch for some reason, usually comes to about 10 degrees and maintains that till I hit Cougar trim reset. Another words, using the Cougar trim lock does not have the same results as using the Trim Lock. I know when I do trim lock, it stays right where I set it, unfortunately, when I unlock this trim, the Diamond goes back to dead center, so I loose that initial trim I set before takeoff. I will continue my quest, your advice is much appreciated. Happy flying.

[Legolasindar]

For the moment, i no upgrade more this profile. I waiting new version of VAC for adding new commands, but no have time.

[Fakum]

No concern here, I have been doing alot of reading etc. I have the trim thing down pretty good now. I DONT use the Cougar Trim or lock functions at all. just the game trimmer. I am working on learning the weapons systems at the moment. My 1st step was learing how to control the beast, then I moved onto navigation sytems, now I am on learning the weapons system. When I find the time, I will have to retrain myself on how to reprogram some of the buttons in your profile I use so I can map a button to use as a "Recenter" button for TrackIR as I find myself having to hit the "F12" on the keyboard often, and its a pain. Thanks anyway,,,,,

[brucci]

Since this is my first post here, then Big Hello to everybody :)

I went through many topics connected with trimming of Ka-50, but as I am a happy owner of HOTAS Cougar I was specially interested with using its' capabilities to help with trimming not having a FF joystick.

 

So far I've seen a few workarounds (by ronht, Legolasindar to name two of them - big thanks for the ideas mates !!) which help to deal with this 0.5 second time to re-center the joystick after in game trimming but if I understand correctly each one has one drawback - The AP must be disabled cause other way we have to fight it to change flight parameters.

 

Having sad all of this I'd like to show you my solution to this problem - of course it's not perfect nor better or worse (I hope :) ) that those that already 've been proposed - it is just different I would say:)

 

First a few definition so we have a common understanding of words :)

1. Cougar trim - trim of real Cougar axes using its programmability abilities

2. Game trim - in game trim (default T button), what it does it's only simulates axes shift,

but additionally as opposed to Cougar trim it simulates different state of AP (see below)

3. trim - trim in general (may think of it as a real one)

 

Second - this is how I understand the AP in Ka-50 (please correct me if I am wrong here)

We may distinguish 3 states of AP in a sense of how much it is affecting our input to the heli. From the most interfering state it would be :

1. AP is on and trim button is not pressed

2. AP is on and trim button is held - I am not sure how this state is different from third one but this is how it was described by AlphaOneSix

Well, the trim button is connected to the autopilot. The autopilot is still working with the button pressed, it just works differently, so to speak.

3. AP is off

　

 

So, all solutions to date as far as good they are they have this drawback which is connected with using a Cougar trim - it is just not possible to have here a change in AP state as trimming is done 100% outside the game engine.

My solution is as follows :

 
BTN X/P/H t
/RLOCK(JOYSTICK, 50%)
BTN UNLOCK(JOYSTICK)

where X, Y are any of joy buttons.

 

How it works :

1. Push and hold X button (Game trim) before applying changes to flight parameters.

2. After having more less stable new flight parameters release X button.

3. Re-center your stick - there is no 0.5 second time constraint any more.

4. After re-centering push Y button to unlock Cougar axes - this is the one drawback of my solution - remembering to press this Y button after re-centering because if not your axes are blocked !!!

 

What are the benefits:

1. 0.5 second time constraint is no valid any more.

2. AP does not have to be off.

3. Realistic trimming.

 

Huh - that's all I wanted to write in my first post :D

I hope some some of you will try my solution and give me some feedback :)

 

Happy flying !!

　

　

　

[Fakum]

Welcome brucci! I am no expert on any matters here but I would like to say hello and welcome. There is much to read here, and alot of people offer a lot of good advice here. Thanks for sharing your thoughts. Im pretty far behind most folks here as I dont have as much of an opportunity to keep training myself, but I am getting there. I am still using Vipers profile except for a change I made for the microstick axes. Other than that, I havnt had time to go back and learn how to change some of the button mapping I would like, so I probably wont get an opportunity anytime soon to try and implement your configuration for trial purposes. perhaps others may sooner than me? Anyway, thanks for sharing.

[Lange_666]

@ Brucci: Nice solution and i will give it a go the moment i have time (haven't flown BS in a while, just no time atm).

 

That you don't have to deal with the 0.5 secs you have to recenter is a good solution (i changed mine ingame to 0.7 secs which gives me a bit more time and this works quite well) but if you have separate rudders not attached to the Cougar through it's gameport, you still have to deal with the rudder you have to release and re-center within that 0.5 of a second. And that's my biggest problem...:(

[brucci]

@Lange_666 - Yes, you are 100% right with the rudders matter :(

But at least if you have CH Pro Pedals there is a way to make them work through Cougars game port (so this is what I gonna do) ...

In any other case it does not matter which solution we will use we will have to deal with this 0.5 time constraint and that's a pain :cry:

[Fakum]

Legolasindar, I was wondering if you could help me out here. I am no expert when it comes to programming the cougar, heck, Im not even much of a novice. I have been using your Cougar profile all along for Black Shark since day one (with a couple of minor mods to suit my own desires). As I mentioned before, when I was struggling with trim, I do not use the

“Lock/Unlock Cougar” or the “TrimCougar~HOLD=Trim Cougar Reset”

that you have set for the H3 Down (in & out). So I wanted to delete these functions and actually add a command to center my TrackIR instead. I am often reaching for the keyboard to Re-Center TrackIR. Looking at your programming, I have no idea what to eliminate under (BTN H3D /I ) that would not have an impact on anything else. Just for an example, could you please modify below so the current

“Lock/Unlock Cougar” or the “TrimCougar~HOLD=Trim Cougar Reset” (H3 Down)

in and out functions do not reflect the cougar trim and say H3 down will emulate the F12 key on the keyboard? Thanks.

Rem H3

BTN H3U /I KD(X9) DLY(200) KU(X9)

/O KD(X8) DLY(200) KU(X8)

DEF X10 DELAY(500) H3U AND S3

DEF X11 DELAY(500) H3U AND NOT S3

DEF X12 NOT H3U AND X8

DEF X13 NOT H3U AND X9

BTN X10 Trimmerreset

BTN X11 /H Trimmer

BTN X12 HoverOn/Off

BTN X13 Wheelbrakeparking

BTN H3D /I

/O /T KD(X1) DLY(200) KU(X1) /T KD(X2) DLY(200) KU(X2)

DEF X4 DELAY(500) H3D AND S3

DEF X5 NOT H3D AND X1

DEF X6 NOT H3D AND X2

DEF X7 H3D AND S3

BTN X4 Axis_Reset

BTN X5 Axis_Lock

BTN X6 Axis_Unlock

BTN X7 /P Axis_Lock Axis_Trim /R Axis_Unlock

BTN H3L /I Cockpitgaugesillumination

/O /H Collectivebrake-Assignaltitudelever

BTN H3R /I AutopilotEmergencyOff

/O AutopilotAllOn

[kaiserb_uk]

Hi Fakum,

 

What you want is quite simple - the bit you need to edit is:

 

BTN H3D/I

/O/TKD(X1)DLY(200)KU(X1)/TKD(X2)DLY(200)KU(X2)

 

THe stuff after the /O statement is the clever logical programming bit, if you replace that with your macro (F12) - (although I would recommend something like Scroll Lock to centre your TIR as F12 gets used in BS) you should be good to go.

[Fakum]

Thanks, I will give that a shot in the next couple days. thanks for the advice on using scroll lock to center, I was going thru the list of BS commannds the other day to find a combination of keys that had not already been used, and it was a challenge. I will go back and look at the list and see if scroll lock is being used by BS, if not, I will use it to center TrackIR, thanks

[kaiserb_uk]

Here's a thing I only discovered the other day, if like me, you get a really annoying 'pause' when slewing the Shkval with the H1, go into Control Panel and Keyboard settings and change the 'Delay' setting to its minimum.*

 

That, as well as adding a USE RATE = (30) statement to Viper's profile has made slewing much smoother and more responsive.

 

*This is probably the oldest Cougar tweak known to man, and I apologise if so :D

[Fakum]

Hmmm,,, I will look into that as well. Theres another issue I am having that I havnt even started to look into. That is the use of the "ANT ELEV" for the zoom function with TrackIR. I absolutly love the function, only this is though, it is jumpy. Another words, while Im not even zooming, just looking around, I get this sort of bump in and out for a split second, and it happens like every few seconds. Its like the pot on the ANT ELEV value cant stay at an exact point, sort of a dirty pot type of reaction.I checked the pot values in Cougars calibration section, doesnt look like the pot is jumpy? I was wondering if it may be something else I should look into? I really want to keep the feature, but it really messes up my eyes while its doing that. Anyone else expierience that? Thanks

[kaiserb_uk]

Yes, I get the jumpy zoom. I usually find a sweet spot with a little twiddling where it doesn't happen so much.

[Fakum]

What is it that you are "twiddling" to minimize it?

[slowhand]

hey guys i had the same trouble with mine..it was the switch it had dead spots it..got new 1 from the maker....you can email them or call them..and they will send you a new 1...i hope tht helps you guys out..

[Fakum]

did the dead spots show up in the raw values when you were calibrating or testing?

[kaiserb_uk]

Advice taken, part ordered. 8 euro to cover shipping (to UK).

[Fakum]

Well,, im on a roll,,,, I have the “H3D” hat programmed for my Track IR the way I want but I am struggling to figure out how to incorporate it so holding H3D /O for about 2 seconds to initiate another macro that will pause TrackIR.

I want to do a H3D /O /H, below is the current program. I merely edited Vipers profile, and all the “DEF” stuff was already in there (Im not sure if it is safe to delete it or not). I went thru the tutorial, I am getting a bit of a headache. Help would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

Rem H3

BTN H3U /I KD(X9) DLY(200) KU(X9)

/O KD(X8) DLY(200) KU(X8)

DEF X10 DELAY(500) H3U AND S3

DEF X11 DELAY(500) H3U AND NOT S3

DEF X12 NOT H3U AND X8

DEF X13 NOT H3U AND X9

BTN X10 Trimmerreset

BTN X11 /H Trimmer

BTN X12 HoverOn/Off

BTN X13 Wheelbrakeparking

BTN H3D /I TrackIR_Precision

/O TrackIR_Center

DEF X4 DELAY(500) H3D AND S3

DEF X5 NOT H3D AND X1

DEF X6 NOT H3D AND X2

DEF X7 H3D AND S3

BTN X4 Axis_Reset

BTN X5 Axis_Lock

BTN X6 Axis_Unlock

BTN X7 /P Axis_Lock Axis_Trim /R Axis_Unlock

BTN H3L /I Cockpitgaugesillumination

/O /H Collectivebrake-Assignaltitudelever

BTN H3R /I AutopilotEmergencyOff

/O AutopilotAllOn

[PoleCat]

Here is a sample of something I am using in LOMAC perhaps you can replace the statements with the button/functions that you need.

 

BTN T4 KD(X5)DLY(200)KU(X5)REM toggle flaps OR landing flaps (delay)

REM Deploy landing flaps by holding T4 for 0.3s

DEF X6 NOT S3 AND T4 and X5

DEF X7 DELAY(500) T4 AND NOT S3

BTN X6 ToggleFlaps

BTN X7 FlapsDown

DEF X8 S3 AND T4

BTN X8 ScanRight

Edited February 7, 2009 by PoleCat

[Fakum]

I appreciate the help, unfortunatly, I think I need to go back and teach myself some more, because all that "DEF" & "X#" is Greek to me. I will have to go back to the tutorials and find out what that means, I think I went as far as the modifiers, and I had a good feel for that,,,I shall venture on,,, maybe someday i will get back to learning Black Shark, LOL ,,, thanks

[Nitro_74]

I've placed all the files from the .zip into the Foxy/Files folder, and downloaded the .tmj and .tmm files into my Cougar. Is there anything else I need to do to get everything working properly? I go into BS, Options, Controls and I'm not seeing much under the Thrustmaster HOTAS column. Any help would be appreciated. Thank you.

 

Nitro_74

[Legolasindar]

I readed you PM Nitro_74, you have one PM, i hope i helped you. Sorry for my english ;)

[Legolasindar]

VAC 2.2 is now for download. I start creating a profile for VAC, when conclude i update Cougar profile. Cougar profile have some small improvements and fixes.. But no have much time.

[Habu23]

Hi,

 

I have used your profile now for some time and I love it! I was wondering if there was a way to map the Shkval sensor movement to my micro joystick? Thanks!

 

Habu