reported earlier Loose Lock on Bandit in close distance and lock on own ship missile

[Raviar]

as title says, its happen almost everytime, is it reported ?

[Hulkbust44]

I believe so. I think it's a part of the track ranking issue where tracks aren't being ranged by time to intercept, just distance. That however (the DCS way) is speculation on my part.

[wilbur81]

It may have some connection to this acknowledged bug as well, which can be just as frustrating as the own-missile-lock you mention: 

 

Edited December 8, 2021 by wilbur81

[BIGNEWY]

2 hours ago, Raviar said:

as title says, its happen almost everytime, is it reported ?

If you want to report a bug please include and example track replay so we can check it. 

I have no way of knowing if your issue is the same as what we have reported already or if its something different or pilot error. 

thanks

[Raviar]

57 minutes ago, BIGNEWY said:

If you want to report a bug please include and example track replay so we can check it. 

I have no way of knowing if your issue is the same as what we have reported already or if its something different or pilot error. 

thanks

Sure, I thought maybe reported earlier
 

F-18 Lost STT Track and lock on own ship missile 2.trk F-18 Lost STT Track and lock on own ship missile 3.trk F-18 Lost STT Track and lock on own ship missile 4.trk F-18 Lost STT Track and lock on own ship missile.trk

[Raviar]

@BIGNEWY I attached the Track files

[BIGNEWY]

we will investigate thanks

[Raviar]

Another example

F-18 Tracking Air.trk

[Raviar]

honestly we cant use this radar! please do something !

F-18 Tracking Air 2.trk

Edited December 30, 2021 by Raviar

[norman99]

This issue is extremely frustrating, as it basically breaks TWS multi-launch functionality.

As soon as the first missile is launched, the radar instantly creates a track file for the outgoing missile , and re sorts the tracks. Using the NWS/undesignate button to step to the next target selects the missile instead. Launching on more than one target therefore becomes almost impossible, as the TDC cursor has to be used, extremely difficult in a time critical situation.

It should not work this way, it’s literally what track file priorities and the NWS/undesignate button are designed for.

Whilst I’m no expert, I’m extremely sceptical about the ability to track (or at least display) outbound missiles. Why have the missile fly out cue and associated symbology, if that is the case?

Edited January 15, 2022 by norman99

[Raviar]

5 hours ago, norman99 said:

This issue is extremely frustrating, as it basically breaks TWS multi-launch functionality.

As soon as the first missile is launched, the radar instantly creates a track file for the outgoing missile , and re sorts the tracks. Using the NWS/undesignate button to step to the next target selects the missile instead. Launching on more than one target therefore becomes almost impossible, as the TDC cursor has to be used, extremely difficult in a time critical situation.

It should not work this way, it’s literally what track file priorities and the NWS/undesignate button are designed for.

Whilst I’m no expert, I’m extremely sceptical about the ability to track (or at least display) outbound missiles. Why have the missile fly out cue and associated symbology, if that is the case?

 

Hope ED can fix it soon, however it is in investigation stage right now, you never know how complex it can be for the developers team, hopefully they aware of the problem(s) internally and they will plan for the fix(es).

[Harker]

This issue is extremely frustrating, as it basically breaks TWS multi-launch functionality.
As soon as the first missile is launched, the radar instantly creates a track file for the outgoing missile , and re sorts the tracks. Using the NWS/undesignate button to step to the next target selects the missile instead. Launching on more than one target therefore becomes almost impossible, as the TDC cursor has to be used, extremely difficult in a time critical situation.
It should not work this way, it’s literally what track file priorities and the NWS/undesignate button are designed for.
Whilst I’m no expert, I’m extremely sceptical about the ability to track (or at least display) outbound missiles. Why have the missile fly out cue and associated symbology, if that is the case?

Good summary there. There was another long bug thread about this. I would say that there two issues that lead to the current behavior.

1. The ranking works wrong. When you have verified Hostile contacts heading towards you, they should always be ranked higher than the Unknown contact that's speeding away from you. This should also be true if you have incoming Ambiguous or Unknown contacts, but to a lesser extent.

2. The F-18 builds trackfiles from a single hit. Here, this causes the missile to become a trackfile immediately. Normally, it should require at least two hits that can be correlated to each other, which might prevent a just launched missile from becoming a trackfile.

While I have no info for this, I wouldn't be surprised if the radar was programmed to suppress the output of a fast, outgoing contact, for a number of seconds after a missile launch.

As for the missile flyout symbol, this is just a visual representation of the ACT and TTG timers, nothing more. The radar does not correlate to with the actual missile, even if it can detect it.

3. Finally, this can also lead to the situation where your STT lock switches to your missile, if you have 1LOOK RAID enabled, but this is also related to the lack of range and velocity gate modeling.

[BIGNEWY]

I have marked this reported I believe it is related to another report I have open for track files jumping around. 

 

thanks