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Northstar98

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30 minutes ago, skywalker22 said:

Is there no Igla Sa-18 among MANPADs?

 

It's a mess.

In DCS, the Igla and the Igla-S are both called the SA-18 Grouse and fire the same missile. Said missile has 9M39 written on the side of it (i.e the missile fired from the Igla [SA-18 Grouse], but the infobar calls it the Igla-S (i.e. the 9M342 missile fired by the Igla-S [SA-24 Grinch].

If you're feeling bamboozled by this, you're definitely not alone 😅

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skywalker22

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17 minutes ago, Northstar98 said:

It's a mess.

The Igla and the Igla-S are both called the SA-18 Grouse and fire the same missile. Said missile has 9M39 written on the side of it (i.e the missile fired from the Igla [SA-18 Grouse], but the infobar calls it the Igla-S (i.e. the 9M342 missile fired by the Igla-S [SA-24 Grinch].

If you're feeling bamboozled by this, you're definitely not alone 😅

But are there in DCS or not? 

Northstar98

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2 minutes ago, skywalker22 said:

But are there in DCS or not? 

The comment you're replying to is how it is in DCS - I've edited it for clarity.

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skywalker22

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37 minutes ago, Northstar98 said:

In DCS, the Igla and the Igla-S are both called the SA-18 Grouse...

So we have 2 actually. But they are not on the list of threads, only their predecessor Strela SA-13 is.

That's why I'm asking.

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Raptor9

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35 minutes ago, skywalker22 said:

So we have 2 actually. But they are not on the list of threads, only their predecessor Strela SA-13 is.

The HAD threat list is only for air defense threats that have a radar system associated with it. Systems such as the SA-9, SA-18, SA-24, Stinger, or Chaparral are IR-guided systems, and therefore are not detected by the HTS, let alone capable of being shot with the AGM-88 HARM.

The SA-13 is a bit of an outlier in that it is also an IR-guided missile, but the launching vehicle is equipped with a range-only radar that can be used to verify the target aircraft is within the missile's engagement range. This is why it is in threat tables for the HTS/HAD.

However, the SA-13 is not a MANPADS, nor is it a predecessor of the SA-18/24. MANPADS stands for Man-Portable Air Defense System, which is what the SA-18/24 or Stinger are. In fact, the SA-13 was a follow-on enhancement of the SA-9 system.

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skywalker22

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1 hour ago, Raptor9 said:

The HAD threat list is only for air defense threats that have a radar system associated with it. Systems such as the SA-9, SA-18, SA-24, Stinger, or Chaparral are IR-guided systems, and therefore are not detected by the HTS, let alone capable of being shot with the AGM-88 HARM.

The SA-13 is a bit of an outlier in that it is also an IR-guided missile, but the launching vehicle is equipped with a range-only radar that can be used to verify the target aircraft is within the missile's engagement range. This is why it is in threat tables for the HTS/HAD.

However, the SA-13 is not a MANPADS, nor is it a predecessor of the SA-18/24. MANPADS stands for Man-Portable Air Defense System, which is what the SA-18/24 or Stinger are. In fact, the SA-13 was a follow-on enhancement of the SA-9 system.

Sorry, it was my bad, wrong interpretation of Strela. I thought that SA-13 is actually this:

I was thinking of MANPAD device, such as Strela 9K32: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K32_Strela-2 Which has NATO designated name SA-7 Grail. 

Same goes for Igrla 9K38, with NATO name SA-16 Gimlet.

But from these 2 there is no radiation that RWR should recognize, right? And there we don't have in this threads list.

 

 

 

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Panthir

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Gents I have a question about TPS 117 radar. Is there any harm thread code (ID number) for this Search Radar?

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AstonMartinDBS

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10 hours ago, Panthir said:

Gents I have a question about TPS 117 radar. Is there any harm thread code (ID number) for this Search Radar?

See

 

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2 hours ago, AstonMartinDBS said:

See

Actually might want to look at the reply from ED in the post after that.  They ALIC for that doesn't exist currently in DCS for some EWR's because the HARM is not actually capable of engaging them.

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Tholozor

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1 hour ago, Crossmann said:

So, what is the DED ID for the FPS-117 EWR?

There is none. The FPS-117 operates at too low a frequency to be detected by the HTS or engaged with the HARM. The full ALIC table can be found in the Early Access Guide, Appendix B, starting on page 568.

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Crossmann

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3 minutes ago, Tholozor said:

There is none. The FPS-117 operates at too low a frequency to be detected by the HTS or engaged with the HARM. The full ALIC table can be found in the Early Access Guide, Appendix B, starting on page 568.

Thank you for the feedback, but, the fact is that it can be engaged when in TOO mode so I am wondering if there is a DED ID usable in PB mode too.

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