Typhoon version?

[rocaf2003]

Which version Thypoon we will get?will be Tranche2? if we got T2 version we can sim the CAPTOR-E mk0 version 

[F-2]

It will be Tranche 2 but early access will be similar to Tranche 1. AESA depends on what documentation they can get though I am not super confident about getting it.

[AdrianL]

From the FAQ, it will be an amalgamation.

 

[Destarn]

The Frankenfiter Typhoon Tranche Yes as per the post above.

Basically if everything goes as planned we should be able to make our own Typhoon making it a very modular customizable module.

[QuiGon]

On 2/26/2022 at 2:25 PM, F-2 said:

It will be Tranche 2 but early access will be similar to Tranche 1. AESA depends on what documentation they can get though I am not super confident about getting it.

Uhm, no, that's wrong. Please sea the FAQ linked above.

[rocaf2003]

Only want to know this plane exist in real world or not....A Meteor Eurofighter, Tranche2 serial number,But only A-A mode,TG says it not like any Blocks of Typhoon,But Can we find it in real world?

On 2/28/2022 at 4:37 PM, QuiGon said:

Uhm, no, that's wrong. Please sea the FAQ linked above.

 

On 2/26/2022 at 9:44 PM, AdrianL said:

From the FAQ, it will be an amalgamation.

 

Only want to know this plane exist in real world or not....A Meteor Eurofighter, Tranche2 serial number,But only A-A mode,TG says it not like any Blocks of Typhoon,But Can we find it in real world?

[Etirion]

3 hours ago, rocaf2003 said:

Only want to know this plane exist in real world or not....A Meteor Eurofighter, Tranche2 serial number,But only A-A mode,TG says it not like any Blocks of Typhoon,But Can we find it in real world?

 

No, technically that plane doesn't exist in the real world. Meteor is a very new weapon at which point all the Eurofighter operators already had all their Tranche 2 Jets capable of ground attack as far as I'm aware.

(Warning: Joke) But then again I'm gonna guess that at least in the Luftwaffe there probably aren't enough bombs available for all the tranche 2 Jets so practically those do exist  

[rocaf2003]

5 minutes ago, Etirion said:

 

No, technically that plane doesn't exist in the real world. Meteor is a very new weapon at which point all the Eurofighter operators already had all their Tranche 2 Jets capable of ground attack as far as I'm aware.

(Warning: Joke) But then again I'm gonna guess that at least in the Luftwaffe there probably aren't enough bombs available for all the tranche 2 Jets so practically those do exist  

The Tranche2 block8 early version can AA only(SRP software issue)But it can't fire Meteor

[rocaf2003]

13 minutes ago, Etirion said:

 

No, technically that plane doesn't exist in the real world. Meteor is a very new weapon at which point all the Eurofighter operators already had all their Tranche 2 Jets capable of ground attack as far as I'm aware.

(Warning: Joke) But then again I'm gonna guess that at least in the Luftwaffe there probably aren't enough bombs available for all the tranche 2 Jets so practically those do exist  

And TureGrit says:

Viewed through this lens, we're not shy to note that our Eurofighter is unlikely to match any real example you could point to, specifically. That isn't by itself unrealistic - again referencing how haphazard the real fleet can be.

This maybe means there is a plane exist in the fleet but it can't match a version,It is a " hybrid" plane

[Specter]

After 10 years working on the real aircraft I can tell you virtually no two were the same.  Throughout all of the software upgrades the airframes retained the original build standard as the mechanical systems were not changed so you might have 2 aircraft at the same SRP but quite different mechanical standards.  There is a reason each aircraft had its own set of electrical wiring diagrams in the maintenance documentation (WDMS)!

This gives HB/TG an endless range of possibilities for aircraft standard to emulate.  At the end if the day, we are not going to see all Typhoon capabilities modelled and so if we get one that can fire AAMs and drop LGBs and aim via a TGP and see some sort of Link 16 data then that'll be good enough.  Whatever we end up with it will only be a loose facsimile of the real aircraft. 

[Ignition]

So, HB is going to do the same as Deka did with the JF-17.

I like some compromises with certain systems for example IFF and other "minor" features which are difficult (or imposible) to replicate exactly in the game, but I don't like this type of approach.

The aircrafts should be based on a particular model.

[Harker]

So, HB is going to do the same as Deka did with the JF-17.
I like some compromises with certain systems for example IFF and other "minor" features which are difficult (or imposible) to replicate exactly in the game, but I don't like this type of approach.
The aircrafts should be based on a particular model.

I actually don't mind this approach, as it gives us a wide range of possibilities. Maybe they can have some features that are mutually exclusive, so we can't have a single aircraft that does everything all the time, but choose the exact features in the ME.

IMO it's a shame to leave out features and capabilities if they have enough data to model them.

[Avimimus]

On 2/26/2022 at 8:44 AM, AdrianL said:

From the FAQ, it will be an amalgamation.

 

 

Interesting! I wonder if this could open the way to integrate unguided weapons? As planned for initial service versions?

Unguided rockets and bombs are fun. Realistic too, if the Cold War had continued.

[Dragon1-1]

On 4/16/2022 at 11:38 PM, Ignition said:

The aircrafts should be based on a particular model.

This is not possible for the Eurofighter. Every single airframe is a frankenmodel that features bits from different tranches, as well as changes that were made during that particular aircraft's lifetime. Basically, we're getting a possible Eurofighter configuration, one of many, not necessarily corresponding to any given airframe at any given point of time. An airframe configured in this exact way may or may not have existed somewhere, maybe it still does or will in the future, but the important part is that there's nothing that would prevent one from being set up so.

[nick10]

Will it have any air to ground capability?

[Spectre11]

The LWR isn't, the TD  is.

[QuiGon]

On 7/6/2022 at 10:20 PM, Zahnatom said:

thats unfortunate. would be nice to have.

Hmm, what would be the benefit of a LWR for the Typhoon (in DCS)? It's really helpful for helicopters as they are threatened by a lot of laser guided/assisted threats (like main battle tanks). But I don't really see much use for that in a fixed wing fast mover. There are hardly any laser guided anti air missiles (in DCS).

Edited July 8, 2022 by QuiGon

[Butcher868]

vor einer Stunde schrieb QuiGon:

Hmm, what would be the benefit of a LWR for the Typhoon (in DCS)? It's really helpful for helicopters as they are threatened by a lot of laser guided/assisted threats (like main battle tanks). But I don't really see much use for that in a fixed wing fast mover. There are hardly any laser guided anti air missiles (in DCS).

 

It doesn't matter, if it's necessary!
It would be an additional toy for us and every toy is nice to have!

[QuiGon]

30 minutes ago, Zahnatom said:

it would help against optically guided SAMs

Do they actually use laser rangefinders in DCS?
 

30 minutes ago, Zahnatom said:

or even MiG-29s, Su-27s, J-11s and Su-33s trying to be stealthy because their IRST uses laser rangefinders

That's a good point! I've actually never checked if their IRSTs cause laser warnings in DCS (for the A-10C or the AH-64, which have LWR).
But then, as you said:

30 minutes ago, Zahnatom said:

but tbh, it gets MWS anyways so you wouldn't be surprised by a missile which you never saw coming...

 

Edited July 8, 2022 by QuiGon

[Dragon1-1]

3 hours ago, QuiGon said:

That's a good point! I've actually never checked if their IRSTs cause laser warnings in DCS (for the A-10C or the AH-64, which have LWR).

A-10C doesn't, it has MWS. Ka-50 is the other module with an LWR. I don't think IRST would set it off in DCS.

Besides Javelin/Starburst, Starstreak and RBS-70, laser-guided AA missiles are not something that really caught on IRL, at least as far as I've heard. I'd guess the Eurofighter's LWR is more against IRST ranging, or if someone's trying to be sneaky with the TGP in AA mode. 

[QuiGon]

19 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

A-10C doesn't, it has MWS.

Uhm, yes it does. It has all three: RWR, MWS and LWS! Just like the RWS and MWS the LWS displays threats on the RWR display, but showing an L on the display. It shows up for example, if a tank uses its laser range finder against the A-10C.
 

19 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

Ka-50 is the other module with an LWR.

Right, I forgot about the Ka-50.
 

19 minutes ago, Dragon1-1 said:

Besides Javelin/Starburst, Starstreak and RBS-70, laser-guided AA missiles are not something that really caught on IRL, at least as far as I've heard.

But all these missiles are not present in DCS.

Edited July 8, 2022 by QuiGon

[Dragon1-1]

Even if they were, they're all NATO missiles, in all but one case operated primarily by one of the major Eurofighter operators (the Brits). Although, Iran supposedly has or had RBS-70, so it could be added as an AI unit someday.

[Al-Azraq]

I don't think Heatblur is aiming to a particular Tranche or block but they will model all those capabilities, systems, and hardware they can get reliable information of. I find this approach the correct one because the representation of these features will be realistic, you will just not be able to say (this is a Tranche 2 Block 10). If they aim for an specific Tranche or Block, they will be limiting themselves.

What if they decide to do a Tranche 2 Block 10 but can get information on the Brimstone or Meteor missile? Should they leave these stuff out because they are not for the specific version modelled?

In my opinion, Heatblur is taking the right approach here.

[Dragon1-1]

Specifically, they're making an aircraft that could exist or have existed at some point, but does not specifically represent any particular jet. Real airframes are all frankentyphoons, and it's quite common for earlier tranches to be retrofitted with some newer equipment. There's no block system for the Eurofighter, a "tranche" is just about when the particular aircraft was delivered. When the new functionality is integrated, it comes with any tranche delivered afterwards, and it can be fitted into pretty much any aircraft that came earlier.

[Spectre11]

There are Blocks in the Eurofighter programme, but blocks aren't the same as for US aircraft. They represent a particular physical build standard. The PSC is the most accurate description of an aircraft's capabilities. I've attempted to  describe all of this here.