RvETito Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 (edited) http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/04/first_jsf_fighter_jet_will_cos.php The Dutch authorities estimate JSF price 110 million EUR per test airframe. Ouch! Wasn't it supposed to go in mass production as a cheap alternative of the F-22? If those numbers are correct it goes well above the Eurofighter for instance... And normaly test beds are cheaper than the final version which should have all the features implemented. Edited April 22, 2009 by =RvE=Tito "See, to me that's a stupid instrument. It tells what your angle of attack is. If you don't know you shouldn't be flying." - Chuck Yeager, from the back seat of F-15D at age 89. =RvE= Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EtherealN Posted April 22, 2009 Share Posted April 22, 2009 Wow... That is a seriously expensive bird. Though it would be more interesting to see price estimates for production airframes. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Daniel "EtherealN" Agorander | Даниэль "эфирныйн" Агорандер Intel i7 2600K @ 4.4GHz, ASUS Sabertooth P67, 8GB Corsair Vengeance @ 1600MHz, ASUS GTX 560Ti DirectCU II 1GB, Samsung 830series 512GB SSD, Corsair AX850w, two BENQ screens and TM HOTAS Warthog DCS: A-10C Warthog FAQ | DCS: P-51D FAQ | Remember to read the Forum Rules | | | Life of a Game Tester Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kuky Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 I would think test product would be more expensive as once the cost of tools, machinery etc is spread out over large number of aircraft to be produced the cost goes down. No longer active in DCS... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggy Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 (edited) Pentagon Hack.. Or is this just a way to point the finger in someone´s face and pick a fight? which I don't think is so unlikely. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124027491029837401.html Edited April 23, 2009 by shaggy Intel Core i7-8700 3,20GHz - EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 - 32Gb Ram - DCS on 500 GB SSD - Windows 10 - Thrusmaster Warthog - Thrustmaster TPR pedals - Track Ir 5 - Samsung Odyssey+ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.virtualredarrows.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nscode Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Were the last two pages of this thread stealth to you? ;) Never forget that World War III was not Cold for most of us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MoGas Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124027491029837401.html anybody read that? greets Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaggy Posted April 23, 2009 Share Posted April 23, 2009 Were the last two pages of this thread stealth to you? ;) Sorry I dident check that good. ;) My bad Intel Core i7-8700 3,20GHz - EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 Ti SC2 - 32Gb Ram - DCS on 500 GB SSD - Windows 10 - Thrusmaster Warthog - Thrustmaster TPR pedals - Track Ir 5 - Samsung Odyssey+ [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] http://www.virtualredarrows.com Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilde Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 Mr Sprey and Mr Wheeler ramble about the F-35 and the DoD procurement procedures in general: http://www.cdi.org/program/document.cfm?DocumentID=4500&from_page=../index.cfm (check the link inside to learn who they are). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vekkinho Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 http://www.dutchnews.nl/news/archives/2009/04/first_jsf_fighter_jet_will_cos.php The Dutch authorities estimate JSF price 110 million EUR per test airframe. Ouch! Wasn't it supposed to go in mass production as a cheap alternative of the F-22? If those numbers are correct it goes well above the Eurofighter for instance... And normaly test beds are cheaper than the final version which should have all the features implemented. Sorry I can't follow, 110 mil is a bit too much IMHO! [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted May 6, 2009 Share Posted May 6, 2009 110 for test planes is just fine. They are test aircraft - they are limited, early production samples and as such they don't come cheap. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Force_Feedback Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 Still holding on that 49% cost overrun margin? No wonder we have to pay for the mistakes all those greedy people make :thumbdown: Not to mention LM bribing our government for at least the second time. And all those people will start bitching over here about the sound. Better get the Gripen-NG and be over it. It's proven, quiet, 1 engine, is a bomb truck, and has no degraded stealth. 2 Creedence Clearwater Revival:worthy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilde Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 $110 mil for a test bed is pretty expensive if you ask me. Also estimated price of the real thing is already some $200 mil per unit (including after sales service I suppose). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 You making a mistake by adding the other costs of operational aircraft into the cost of a test aircraft. F-35 doesnt cost as much as F-22's! [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilde Posted May 7, 2009 Share Posted May 7, 2009 I didn't add anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Groove Posted June 18, 2009 Author ED Team Share Posted June 18, 2009 Interesting read: http://www.reuters.com/article/rbssIndustryMaterialsUtilitiesNews/idUSN1629060420090616?sp=true plus new pic: Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Groove Posted June 18, 2009 Author ED Team Share Posted June 18, 2009 GE Rolls-Royce F136 JSF Engine http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DKevRqZGoMo Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Groove Posted June 18, 2009 Author ED Team Share Posted June 18, 2009 Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vault Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 Interesting read: plus new pic: Hi Groove, can you remember where you got the above picture from?, I know the picture is pretty much self explanatory but is there a technical article or pdf regarding the performance of the JSF's RCS against various radar frequency/wavelengths that was linked to the above picture?. I'd really like to read it if there is. Thanks. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topol-m Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 Yep, the performance of the JSF's RCS against various radar frequency/wavelengths will be very interesting if not classified. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vault Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 Topol, AFAIK the JSF's VLO performance against various frequency/wavelengths figures are classified, but after the recent leak of classified data on the JSF you never know, if the VLO JSF offers no protection against VHF multimetric wavelengths that would be very interesting indeed. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilotasso Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 Are those precise enough for targeting? [sigpic]http://forums.eagle.ru/signaturepics/sigpic4448_29.gif[/sigpic] My PC specs below:Case: Corsair 400C PSU: SEASONIC SS-760XP2 760W Platinum CPU: AMD RYZEN 3900X (12C/24T) RAM: 32 GB 4266Mhz (two 2x8 kits) of trident Z RGB @3600Mhz CL 14 CR=1T MOBO: ASUS CROSSHAIR HERO VI AM4 GFX: GTX 1080Ti MSI Gaming X Cooler: NXZT Kraken X62 280mm AIO Storage: Samsung 960 EVO 1TB M.2+6GB WD 6Gb red HOTAS: Thrustmaster Warthog + CH pro pedals Monitor: Gigabyte AORUS AD27QD Freesync HDR400 1440P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 Topol, AFAIK the JSF's VLO performance against various frequency/wavelengths figures are classified, but after the recent leak of classified data on the JSF you never know, It was reported that stealth was not compromized. The data was sensitive but not 'Top Secret' sensitive. 'Classified' can be NOFOR - like a lot of the -1's. if the VLO JSF offers no protection against VHF multimetric wavelengths that would be very interesting indeed. No, it isn't - not even remotely. The interesting thing rather is that the RCS is small even against those, so range is limited - further, it is mostly the X-band that actual threat radars operate in (the ones that can guide weapons at you) and that is the most interesting part of the radar range for a stealth fighter. They might see you, but they'll have trouble putting weapons on you while you'll be lobbing HARMs/SDBs/JDAMs at them. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
topol-m Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 They might see you, but they'll have trouble putting weapons on you while you'll be lobbing HARMs/SDBs/JDAMs at them. Still there must be some tricks to make modern long range radars/SAMs more effective against low RCS targets. And when the SAM detects you and can fire first beyond your weapons range the table is turned. It will be interesting at what distance S-300/S-400/Patriot can find/shoot at F-35. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GGTharos Posted June 18, 2009 Share Posted June 18, 2009 Probably at around 30km, assuming they aren't being jammed. The aircraft will always out-range the SAM at this point - SDBs will fly pretty far - so far that you can launch them, beam the target SAM and not worry about having to use countermeasures. The missiles will simply not reach you - for this reason you have IADS - some radars will remain silent and come up and launch only when you are in the Rtr. [sIGPIC][/sIGPIC] Reminder: SAM = Speed Bump :D I used to play flight sims like you, but then I took a slammer to the knee - Yoda Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ED Team Groove Posted June 18, 2009 Author ED Team Share Posted June 18, 2009 Sorry Vault, i dont have the data but i know where i have to ask if there are any. I will come back to you with an hopefully positive answer :) Our Forum Rules: http://forums.eagle.ru/rules.php#en Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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