The F-35 Thread

[RedTiger]

I think the best slides was the one showing the radar mapping, that detected the cracks on the runway. I do not know if this is normal operation on modern radars but impressive non he less. Also, it looks like there are hyperlink to video but I could not get them to work, any luck for you guys?

 

Yeah, that's badass. There were mower patters too. I bet it can count blades of grass too, but that's a classified mode. ;)

 

That HMDS is nuts. If things keep going this way, the next iteration will be this:

http://webhome.idirect.com/~shipman/3rdMEU/SA-43Hammerhead.html :)

Edited September 19, 2009 by RedTiger

[Callsign.Vega]

Wow, is that the actual cockpit? All you have there is one large LCD and the HOTAS. Theres like nothing else. Talk about streamlined. I guess you do most of the "button" pushing from the HOTAS or touchscreen the LCD.

 

Another thing that's interesting is you no longer wear a cool looking fighter pilot helmet. With all that stuff you now look like a big alien bug ;).

[Groove]

This bird will be much better than we think :)

[Cp]

it looks like there are hyperlink to video but I could not get them to work, any luck for you guys?

 

Found the same video on wikipedia:

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:F-35_gun.ogg

[nscode]

This bird will be much better than we think :)

 

And Duke Nukem Forever is not coming bad after all, either ;)

[topol-m]

Northrop Grumman marketing video for the APG-81 Radar:

 

[mvsgas]

AN/AAQ-37

 

http://www.es.northropgrumman.com/solutions/f35targeting/index.html

[tflash]

Wow, man, is this 21st century or what?

[159th_Viper]

 

http://www.es.northropgrumman.com/solutions/f35targeting/index.html

 

".....Range performance is Classified......"

Anybody care to venture an educated guess as to the Radius of the DAS system?

 

Interesting - Ta for the Links :thumbup:

[Griffin]

Now that's just insane, unfair and the aerial combat is starting to look like HAWX! Propably we will soon hear something like "Run, he has an aimbot!" in the radio chatter. :D

[RedTiger]

DAS: Getting to blow-through at the merge, keeping track of the bandit like you've got labels on AND getting an aimed missile shot as you escape? REALLY!?!? :shocking:

 

Un-#$@*ing-believable.

[Pilotasso]

Yep, though shooting missiles from extreme off boresight angles will kill the range of any missile down to 1/3. It is extremely demanding kineticaly.

 

Theres nothing like aiming your shot first.

[Maximus_G]

".....Range performance is Classified......"

Anybody care to venture an educated guess as to the Radius of the DAS system?

 

Interesting - Ta for the Links :thumbup:

 

10 pages ago

DAS is likely to detect contrast objects WVR;

bright objects at tens of km (like AAMs with booster motor active);

oh, and VERY bright objects at about 150 million km (like the Sun).

 

Should be mentioned, these optical systems depend heavily on weather (atmosphere transparency) and background brightness level. All the ranges drop several times when you're low above the surface or trying to see something with the sun-lit clouds in the background.

[mvsgas]

Some of the things to keep in mind about this videos (both the AN/AAQ-37 or the MIG-35 OLS,APG-81, etc.) is that this are videos made by companies selling a product and we should look at them for the entertainment since we do not know the actual capabilities. This are also new technologies ( or equipment/avionics I should say) so they are evolving and the final product might change.

 

Now if the AN/AAQ-37 or the MIG -35 OLS(which I know is not the same idea as DAS, but similar) deliver what they promise, wow. Imagine the results a combat pilot gets when combining an AESA/PESA radar, with some of this systems. Hopefully, this systems will prevent fratricide in future conflicts or even prevent/diminish collateral damage with smaller bombs like the SDB (or similar size future bombs)

 

At any rate cool stuff.

[mvsgas]

Lockheed Martin EOTS page with several videos (no music nor sounds on most of them)

http://www.lockheedmartin.com/products/F-35LightningIIEOTS/index.html

 

Edited September 22, 2009 by mvsgas

[Maximus_G]

http://www.nypost.com/p/news/opinion/opedcolumnists/the_wrong_way_to_build_the_oLQLtHrRWTGHtp9LS8VrzI

 

The wrong way to build the F-35

 

By JOHN LEHMAN

Last Updated: 1:58 PM, October 1, 2009

 

I'm quite unused to defending the actions of Congress, but when it comes to contracting the production of the new F-35 fighter, the Defense committees are right and the Pentagon is wrong.

[SpudmanWP]

GE and RR are welcome to complete the F136 dev on their own. The Congress is welcome to fund the F136 as long as it is separate from the F-35 budget.

 

The reason is simple, any money taken from the F-35 program will result in longer development & training programs due to the lack of LRIP jets for the pilots and maintaininers to train on. This will result in longer acquisition schedules and higher overall prices for the F-35.

[sinelnic]

Yep, though shooting missiles from extreme off boresight angles will kill the range of any missile down to 1/3. It is extremely demanding kineticaly.

 

Theres nothing like aiming your shot first.

 

Why can't the missile turn before starting its engine? It's already flying at the speed of the launching A/C...

[Wilde]

Because a missile can maneuver only at higher speeds. The reason are it's small control surfaces. Especially an off boresight shot requires very high maneuverability.

[SpudmanWP]

No always.. IIRC, the UK was working on a AAM a while back that used puffer jets to get the missile pointed in the right direction before the main rocket kicked in.

 

---edit

 

My bad.. It's called the CAMM and it is a SAM

http://defense-update.com/products/c/camm.html

 

odd.. I feel a Dr. Seuss rhyme coming on :)

Edited October 7, 2009 by SpudmanWP

[GGTharos]

SAMs have enough space for this. Further, this is a typical VLS setup - shoot it up, turn it to the bandit, THEN fire the main engine.

 

On aircraft, where you need your SRM to get to the target fast, you don't get to do such a thing - you light the engine on the rail and thrust-vector to the bandit. Like Pilotasso said, any high-off-bore maneuver will kill range, because you're spending your thrust on making that 90 or 180, and you have less motor burn time left for straight acceleration.

 

Missiles without TVC take even longer since they need to keep from stalling - ie. they CANNOT take that 90 deg corner and maintain orientation as a TVC missile can.

[SpudmanWP]

That's why I like the JDRADM concept... MRAAM sized motor with an IIR (and RF) SRAAM seeker :)

[sinelnic]

An associated question (as you can see I'm a terrible newbie in BVR): how dependent is missile range in BVR to the speed of the launching A/C, assuming frontal engagement? Maybe you can point me to some literature on the subject?

[GGTharos]

You can get a 15km difference in max range if you compare something extreme like, launching from 100kph vs 1100kph, in the situation you described - for real missiles.

 

However this is not applicable to LO at all: You get no more than a few hundred meters of gain by being a speed demon in LO.

 

An associated question (as you can see I'm a terrible newbie in BVR): how dependent is missile range in BVR to the speed of the launching A/C, assuming frontal engagement? Maybe you can point me to some literature on the subject?

[SpudmanWP]

Altitude difference plays a bigger role. A missile that can receive mid-course corrections can fly an longer, arching profile...while a missile that must fly straight has less range.