twistking Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 Hello, i just bought the Hornet and Supercarrier, so i now have two more subforums to complain and ask questions in... Hooray! In the manual it says that the carriergroup should be set up, so that it is sailing into the wind and there is roughly 30knots of wind over the deck. Fair enough. However if it is sailign directly into the wind, the wind will be at an angle when lining up for the angled deck. So should the carrier be sailign directly into wind or should it actually sail at an angle so that the angled deck points into the wind for landing? Also if the carrier gives you the course over the radio, is that the heading of the carrier group, or is it the heading of the landing deck? If my assumption is correct, the carrier group would need a different heading vor launch vs. recovery. Is this correct? My improved* wishlist after a decade with DCS *now with 17% more wishes compared to the original
Jackjack171 Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 50 minutes ago, twistking said: Hello, i just bought the Hornet and Supercarrier, so i now have two more subforums to complain and ask questions in... Hooray! In the manual it says that the carriergroup should be set up, so that it is sailing into the wind and there is roughly 30knots of wind over the deck. Fair enough. However if it is sailign directly into the wind, the wind will be at an angle when lining up for the angled deck. So should the carrier be sailign directly into wind or should it actually sail at an angle so that the angled deck points into the wind for landing? Also if the carrier gives you the course over the radio, is that the heading of the carrier group, or is it the heading of the landing deck? If my assumption is correct, the carrier group would need a different heading vor launch vs. recovery. Is this correct? Winds down the angle are optimal. There will always be a crosswind component, but ship will always steam into the wind. A launch is preceded by a recovery. During that time, the ship is into the wind. After the recovery, the ship will turn back to what is called "PIM" or position of intended movement. This is due to a lot of things up to and including sea space. When the next event starts, the ship will turn back into the wind for that launch and recovery. Wash, rinse, repeat! Oh, the course the carrier gives you is the heading of the ship. I hope that helps. 1 DO it or Don't, but don't cry about it. Real men don't cry!
twistking Posted July 4, 2022 Author Posted July 4, 2022 37 minutes ago, Jackjack171 said: [...] There will always be a crosswind component, but ship will always steam into the wind. [...] But for recovery they will steer in the wind at an angle so that the angled deck gets the wind head on, or is this small difference irrelevant? I'm still unsure if it's "good practice" to set up the carrier with different heading for launch and recovery or if it's "good enough" for the ship to head into the wind for all cycles... 1 My improved* wishlist after a decade with DCS *now with 17% more wishes compared to the original
Jackjack171 Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 4 minutes ago, twistking said: But for recovery they will steer in the wind at an angle so that the angled deck gets the wind head on, or is this small difference irrelevant? I'm still unsure if it's "good practice" to set up the carrier with different heading for launch and recovery or if it's "good enough" for the ship to head into the wind for all cycles... Yeah, it's a small thing! The wind will never be perfectly down the angle and don't forget, someone's on the bridge steering (IRL). There are monitors in Pri-Fly that have the winds indicator according to the angle and bow. Depending on the sea state, it's fair game! In DCS mission editor, just use the ruler to mark down the angle and that will show you what degrees you want to set your wind. How strong is up to you of course. But be aware of the burble. I once set the winds too strong, and it kicked my ass! 1 DO it or Don't, but don't cry about it. Real men don't cry!
AndyJWest Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 14 minutes ago, Jackjack171 said: In DCS mission editor, just use the ruler to mark down the angle and that will show you what degrees you want to set your wind. How strong is up to you of course. But be aware of the burble. I once set the winds too strong, and it kicked my ass! For a moving carrier, to get the resultant wind straight down the angle, it needs to come from a direction somewhat to the left of that, and be sufficiently strong to be able to compensate for the angle - the exact angle depending on the relative ship and wind speeds. 1
Jackjack171 Posted July 4, 2022 Posted July 4, 2022 3 hours ago, AndyJWest said: For a moving carrier, to get the resultant wind straight down the angle, it needs to come from a direction somewhat to the left of that, and be sufficiently strong to be able to compensate for the angle - the exact angle depending on the relative ship and wind speeds. Yeah, I figured that out the hard way. Trying to keep it as close to IRL and what my memory serves up, I just set it directly on the angle and 15-20 knots works. It's beyond that that it gets sporty, which makes for great training but sucks. 1 DO it or Don't, but don't cry about it. Real men don't cry!
twistking Posted July 5, 2022 Author Posted July 5, 2022 So just to be clear i udnerstood it correctly: Place down carrier and set waypoint, use ruler tool to measure angle of the angled deck (front to back) and put this value into the wind/weather tab. correct? They will have to come up with a more sophisticated system for the carrier, once we get the new dynamic weather... My improved* wishlist after a decade with DCS *now with 17% more wishes compared to the original
draconus Posted July 5, 2022 Posted July 5, 2022 19 hours ago, twistking said: Also if the carrier gives you the course over the radio, is that the heading of the carrier group, or is it the heading of the landing deck? Case I and II - ATC will give you BRC - carrier heading. Case III - Final Bearing - this is already the angled deck. 1 Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
twistking Posted August 3, 2022 Author Posted August 3, 2022 one follow-up question. the manual clearly states, that i should put the carrier group heading into the wind and not put it at such angle that the deck is pointing into the wind. so what would it be in ideal conditions? would the carrier navigate to have BRC with a headwind or final bearing with a headwind. for now i have put the headwind between BRC and and final bearing as a compromise, but would like to know what the "ideal" situation was. My improved* wishlist after a decade with DCS *now with 17% more wishes compared to the original
draconus Posted August 3, 2022 Posted August 3, 2022 14 minutes ago, twistking said: for now i have put the headwind between BRC and and final bearing as a compromise, but would like to know what the "ideal" situation was. You already have answers in this very thread. Win10 i7-10700KF 32GB RTX4070S Quest 3 T16000M VPC CDT-VMAX TFRP FC3 F-14A/B F-15E CA SC NTTR PG Syria
twistking Posted August 3, 2022 Author Posted August 3, 2022 (edited) 28 minutes ago, draconus said: You already have answers in this very thread. i've read the thread again and i'm still not 100% sure. english is not my first language obviously, so it's probably on me. sorry! i don't understand if wind "over the angle" is soemthign that "can be done" or if it's the ideal course for recovery in real life. i think i got confused by jackjack mentioning the carrier "always steaming into the wind", which i understand as BRC into the wind, not angle into the wind. everything else points towards "wind over the angle" being ideal, but since i know discovered that the manual explicitly states BRC headwind, i wanted to ask again to make sure, i got it right. Edited August 3, 2022 by twistking My improved* wishlist after a decade with DCS *now with 17% more wishes compared to the original
Minsky Posted August 3, 2022 Posted August 3, 2022 1 hour ago, twistking said: the manual clearly states, that i should put the carrier group heading into the wind and not put it at such angle that the deck is pointing into the wind. Where does it says so? All I see is this: Quote It is best to face the carrier into the wind on launch and recovery to eliminate crosswind Which is pretty much all you need to do: try to minimize the crosswind component as much as possible. This means (ideally) wind over angled deck for recoveries, and sailing into wind for launches. That's what they do in real life whenever possible. Dima | My DCS uploads
twistking Posted August 3, 2022 Author Posted August 3, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Minsky said: Where does it says so? All I see is this: Quote It is best to face the carrier into the wind on launch and recovery to eliminate crosswind Yes, this bit had me confused. I did read that as "ship course into the wind on launch and recovery" and it kinda implies the same course for launch and recovery. No big deal. I just think the wording is not 100% fool proof. Thanks for the clarification. Edited August 3, 2022 by twistking My improved* wishlist after a decade with DCS *now with 17% more wishes compared to the original
9thHunt Posted August 3, 2022 Posted August 3, 2022 4 hours ago, twistking said: i've read the thread again and i'm still not 100% sure. english is not my first language obviously, so it's probably on me. sorry! i don't understand if wind "over the angle" is soemthign that "can be done" or if it's the ideal course for recovery in real life. i think i got confused by jackjack mentioning the carrier "always steaming into the wind", which i understand as BRC into the wind, not angle into the wind. everything else points towards "wind over the angle" being ideal, but since i know discovered that the manual explicitly states BRC headwind, i wanted to ask again to make sure, i got it right. the problem is that the ship is usually steaming at something like 30 knots during recovery. At those speeds it doesn't matter very much if there's wind down the angle, because the ship itself will be creating its own wind down the centerline. 1
t1mb0b Posted August 30, 2022 Posted August 30, 2022 If it's making 30kts, it DOES matter and it matters more because there will be a greater crosswind component ! Jets don't recover with a crosswind ideally, they have enough to contend with. The ship is steered to the starboard to create the optimum WOD down the angle. The sentence reads as though they 'sail into wind', that may not have been the intended sentiment.
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