why no remove pylons on HBF14?

[Quid]

15 minutes ago, CityBFM said:

sorry man. I'm stupid garbage. I lack the vulcan logic and 1 million IQ like everyone else here. I just want to know how to not be trash at 1v1 guns BFM in the F14B again and stop losing in less than 60 seconds every single fight no matter what I do like I do now every session I fly then the having to cope with the self loathing of being so bad at something I used to think I was alright at (even though in reality I was maybe okay-ish at on my best day in the best/META module)

 

I'm guessing (seriously, not to be a dick) that you're flying it like it is represented in other, more arcady games.  In DCS, you actually have to take the time to learn the plane and feel out the envelope, what it likes, what it doesn't.  I'm a casual player and fly with other casual players so understand my perspective doesn't come from someone who is spending every extra second in the dogfight servers.  I've been perfectly able to gun F-16s, F/A-18s, Mirage 2000s, etc., by flying the jet over and over, getting killed, learning, trying again, succeeding, but never, EVER winning every time because that won't happen.  A positive ratio tells me I'm having a decent night.

Pay attention to your airspeed and angle of attack.  Don't put the stick in your lap because you'll burn all of your energy at once and end up with the jet both over-g'd (possibly with a dicked up gunsight and HUD because the gyroscope is in pieces), and without any energy left to do anything with.  That little white bar on the AoA indicator is your best friend between about 300 and 380-ish knots (feel free to nit-pick that); above it, you're burning energy, below it, you're gaining energy, and at it, you're sustaining your energy.  See where the jet holds its knots, where it loses them, where it gains them.  Actually feel out the envelope.  USE THE RUDDERS!!!one1!!!!  (Get the emphasis?)  Test it against the AI on "Ace" mode, because that's relatively easy.  Now, start applying it.  Go into some 1v1s without trying to pull the wings off.  Laugh when you hit the silk and think about what you did wrong and what you can do to improve, cheer when you make the other guy do it. 

The Tomcat is a hell of a deadly machine if you take the time to learn it.  If you don't, it's punishing and irritating.  A Viper or Hornet is easy to bring up because they have a computer to make up for your lack of skill.  A Tomcat doesn't, which makes it that much sweeter when you start blasting those others out of the sky with some regularity - you've actually learned to fight.

My 2 cents.  Feel free to disregard, I don't care.  Just hoping to improve your experience.

[CityBFM]

1 hour ago, SkateZilla said:

You're quickly going in the wrong direction on this forum.....

To be completely honest, if someone actually made a "1v1 guns BFM in HBF14B on dcs world public multiplayer dogfight servers for dummies" that was a 10 ep youtube instructional series made by someone credible streamed live in the wild of public DCS dogfight servers with producer/instructor under a pseudonym flying versus whatever rando is in the server(without affiliation or colluding with server admins, the respective socmed communities associated with server, or opponents on the server) and then recorded and posted on yt that some lowly piece of worthless uninformed clueless garbage like myself could use/apply and have it actually work and making them less of a worthless uniformed clueless garbage piece of trash I'd be pretty stoked on that content

Edited July 31, 2022 by CityBFM

[Quid]

2 minutes ago, CityBFM said:

To be completely honest, if someone actually made a "1v1 guns BFM in HBF14B on dcs world public multiplayer dogfight servers for dummies" that was a 10 ep youtube instructional series made by someone credible filmed live in public servers that some lowly piece of worthless uninformed clueless garbage like myself could use it and it worked and enabled them to be less of a worthless uniformed clueless garbage piece of trash I'd be pretty stoked on the content

Not the worst advice:

 

3 part series, people have their opinions of the Reapers, but VHS has some useful stuff if you're just looking for recommendations.

[CityBFM]

4 minutes ago, Quid said:

Not the worst advice:

 

3 part series, people have their opinions of the Reapers, but VHS has some useful stuff if you're just looking for recommendations.

grim reapers isn't credible dude, plus when was that made? 3 years ago? if it wasn't made in the past 3-6 months there's little to no useable info in it. even if "the tomcat hasn't changed and lines up with EM charts better than every other DCS module ever made" something is different and it's not being accounted for in videos that are 3 years old

Edited July 31, 2022 by CityBFM

[Quid]

Just now, CityBFM said:

grim reapers isn't credible dude, plus when was that made? 3 years ago?

Well, just trying to help, but since you don't want any, good luck.

[CityBFM]

don't link be growling sidewinder videos either

3 minutes ago, Quid said:

Well, just trying to help, but since you don't want any, good luck.

don't send me links of growling sidewinder videos either

[Quid]

Just now, CityBFM said:

don't link be growling sidewinder videos either

don't send me links of growling sidewinder videos either

Well, since you have no plans to try to improve, or take any advice from anyone, don't bitch about getting flamed to either the developer or to the virtual Turkey community.

[CityBFM]

1 hour ago, Quid said:

Well, since you have no plans to try to improve, or take any advice from anyone, don't bitch about getting flamed to either the developer or to the virtual Turkey community.

yeah sorry man. my apologies for skepticism/questioning viability(what a detestable insufferable cretin I am) of information/content regarding the HBF14 from grim reapers and growling sidewinder that are either released prior to September-November 2020 OB update which is when an absolute paradigm shift in the HBF14B's performance not even remotely in a good way occurred on on my end(or everything else around it changed around me when I was flying in it). And/or also my skepticism of GS because he posts videos flying a PakFa, F22, F35, Su30, Rafale, EF2K mod and makes a clickbait titled video with it like it's an "officially licensed Rafale vs EF2K module dogfight" in DCS then says in fine print it's a mod or just overall vibe I get from his content that it's all canned versus whatever opponent he can find, prop up as a quality opponent, and beat. Not arguing the success of either channel. Clearly GR and GS both established a brand of content, have a large following, and large audience with the sponsorships they pull, but I have a hard time buying in to any of the info in their videos.

Edited July 31, 2022 by CityBFM

[CityBFM]

40 minutes ago, Quid said:

Not the worst advice:

 

3 part series, people have their opinions of the Reapers, but VHS has some useful stuff if you're just looking for recommendations.

I think I remember watching the first installment of this and vaguely remember thinking "this doesn't seem like anyone is really fighting too hard to see if any of this actually works" but again, I'm a insufferable detestable piece of trash that's not well read, socially developed, or intellectually developed enough to carry on any kind of conversation and is overall unworthy to even interact with anyone on these forums in an capacity

Edited July 31, 2022 by CityBFM

[CityBFM]

Quick question.

Was F110 thrust increased or decreased?

Was airframe drag increased or decreased?

Edited July 31, 2022 by CityBFM

[SkateZilla]

1 hour ago, CityBFM said:

don't link be growling sidewinder videos either

don't send me links of growling sidewinder videos either

Honestly if you have a snide remark for everything posted, then this isnt the place for you,
You have not right to claim credibility of others in your current standing.

[CityBFM]

8 minutes ago, SkateZilla said:

Honestly if you have a snide remark for everything posted, then this isnt the place for you,
You have not right to claim credibility of others in your current standing.

I'm my intellectually disabled opinion it's odd that GR and GS are considered legitimate sources and held in such high esteem within this sacred house of learned doctors

Edited July 31, 2022 by CityBFM

[CityBFM]

25 minutes ago, SkateZilla said:

You have not right to claim credibility of others in your current standing.

What a no-chill non sciency thing to say in such a sciencyish environment. that wasn't very sciency of you bruther.

25 minutes ago, SkateZilla said:

You have not right to claim credibility of others in your current standing.

Do I need some kind of official standing to say "I don't know, man...I'm not sure about this guy or any of the stuff he's saying..." after I watch a youtube video?

Edited July 31, 2022 by CityBFM

[CityBFM]

2 hours ago, CityBFM said:

Quick question.

Was F110 thrust increased or decreased?

Was airframe drag increased or decreased?

 

Was Heatblur like "We're gonna completely take the flaps away above 225kts, make it a lot draggier, and significantly decrease TWR at slow speeds just to top it all off and make this update a real peach..."?

Edited July 31, 2022 by CityBFM

[NineLine]

Sorry all just noticed this entire topic was hidden, restored now. 

That said, everyone in this thread needs to relax. Getting a little tense in here. 

[Noctrach]

On 7/31/2022 at 4:41 AM, CityBFM said:

To be completely honest, if someone actually made a "1v1 guns BFM in HBF14B on dcs world public multiplayer dogfight servers for dummies" that was a 10 ep youtube instructional series made by someone credible streamed live in the wild of public DCS dogfight servers with producer/instructor under a pseudonym flying versus whatever rando is in the server(without affiliation or colluding with server admins, the respective socmed communities associated with server, or opponents on the server) and then recorded and posted on yt that some lowly piece of worthless uninformed clueless garbage like myself could use/apply and have it actually work and making them less of a worthless uniformed clueless garbage piece of trash I'd be pretty stoked on that content

 

The thing is, people have made these kinds of video series. For instance the air warfare group have made an incredibly series of BFM videos. Anything more detailed than this would go into the kind of somewhat classified territory that subject matter experts would start sweating a little.

There's no such series specifically for the F-14. That is because it's a jet like the others and there's nothing really fundamentally different to BFM-ing in the F-14. One-circle -> radius, two-circle -> rate. With pilots of equal skill, it will lose most of the time to a F/A-18, F-16, Mirage 2000 or Su-27. That's not because it's a bad dogfighter, but it's an old plane that is very difficult to fly to the limits of the envelope. You can get someone decently competent at dogfighting in a Hornet in a week or so, but they still won't be nearly as effective after a month in the F-14. There's 20 years of technological advancement you're up against, one of which is fly-by-wire. Even if HB were to remove the pylons and remodel the plane, nothing would effectively change. Maybe you get half a degree of turn rate, but that Hornet or Mirage pilot is still gonna live on the edge of FBW max performance while the Tomcat pilot is sweating to keep the jet from spinning out.

There are some specifically-F-14-things that you need to be aware of, then there's some stuff you can read from the real flight manuals, then there's some stuff you can figure out through practice.

• Use rudder for turns near and above 15 units of AoA
• Corner speed is between about 300 and 350
• You can do an incredibly tight radius fight at around 190-220 knots (especially with some flaps)
• You can pull still pull off a loop at around 200-250 knots depending on altitude.

The rest of it is knowing the matchups and identifying cues. When can you out-power a hornet/mirage? When can you threaten a viper? The reason why so few good videos exist is because it's a very difficult subject to break down and even the best classified textbooks will not have the answers on how to win a fight.

Edited August 1, 2022 by Noctrach

[RustBelt]

On 7/30/2022 at 5:12 PM, CityBFM said:

Even if it never happened on real operational USN Tomcats, I wondered why the option wasn't available for the HBF14. You could probably say ~the same thing about USN legacy Hornets, rarely ever or never have pylons removed(which I assume are also part of F18's aero profile) and at least have 1 bag equipped on all sorties, yet I still 1v1 guns against light and slick F15s, F16s, F18s and occasionally the M2KC or the Flanker every session I fly 1v1 guns in public dogfight servers and the HB Tomcat is nothing anywhere near what it was prior to Augsut-November 2020 OB updates in a turn fight or energy retention/regeneration and I don't particularly enjoy getting my head caved in/losing 0-15 to Mirages, Flankers, F15s, F16s and especially F18s when I fly the F14B. 

I was just looking to see if there's anyway to decrease the disadvantage I have in the F14B based on the way it is in current build of OB and based on the admins of BFM servers seeming to want to put the F14s in their missions in a less than ideal configuration for 1v1 high aspect guns bfm relative to the other 4G contemporaries in the mission.

 

0-15 in the Tomcat? The disadvantage is between your ears. Not the pylons.

 

edit: having read the rest of the thread, i’m now 100% convinced of my statement.

Edited August 1, 2022 by RustBelt

[arb65912]

On 7/30/2022 at 9:00 PM, IronMike said:

My suggestion at this point is to simply take a step back, take a breath, calm a bit, then come back with an open mind. When one's tumbling while standing, the easiest way to catch yourself is to realize you are not falling at all.

We all start somewhere. We all get somewhere. Some further, some less, some go different places. But no one starts at the finish.

If you are indeed still learning the internet, to take the sarcasm at face value, the best way to learn it is to drop the sarcasm and realize that you arrived at a place where ppl mean genuinely well towards you. It is impossible to know at a glance in such a complex subject what is all true and what isn't. Time will teach you that. Now is a good time though to get to know the folks around you, who have been at it for much longer and who have the kind of knowledge you seek. If your questions and interest are genuine, I can assure you, so will be their answers. But if you dance around their noses, don't be surprised if they wave you off like a fly that tickles their itch.

Talent is in the choice, dear friend, so my kind suggestion is to channel your curiosity in the right questions that have sincerety behind them. You will be surprised what this community will offer you in return if you give it a chance.

Welcome to the club.

I am a total newbie into DCS, and I do not reply to many posts, but I really liked what Mike said.

I see different people here, some want to learn, some want to help, some want to just push their point across and some just troll. Yes, we are all different, but I agree with Mike that if one just nicely asks anything, the 99% of the time, they will get their answer in a friendly fashion.

I do not like arguing on Internet especially after I hear that saying somewhere:" arguing on Internet is like competing in special games, even if you win, you are still a retard"

Saying that as a joke only with all respect and sympathy for people with different disabilities. I do have one as well, hearing problem. I never laugh at or put down people who are disabled in any way, I just loved the comparison in the above quote. 

I would rather try to learn and enjoy flying in DCS than wasting time in pointless, heated arguments but hey, we are all different, right? 

[IronMike]

2 hours ago, arb65912 said:

I am a total newbie into DCS, and I do not reply to many posts, but I really liked what Mike said.

I see different people here, some want to learn, some want to help, some want to just push their point across and some just troll. Yes, we are all different, but I agree with Mike that if one just nicely asks anything, the 99% of the time, they will get their answer in a friendly fashion.

I do not like arguing on Internet especially after I hear that saying somewhere:" arguing on Internet is like competing in special games, even if you win, you are still a retard"

Saying that as a joke only with all respect and sympathy for people with different disabilities. I do have one as well, hearing problem. I never laugh at or put down people who are disabled in any way, I just loved the comparison in the above quote. 

I would rather try to learn and enjoy flying in DCS than wasting time in pointless, heated arguments but hey, we are all different, right? 

Welcome to the flock, bud! We all started as newbies, and I hope you find the answers to the questions you seek.

It is always a tremendous pleasure to see new folks around - we call them nuggets, because they're absolute gold to this community.  

[arb65912]

9 minutes ago, IronMike said:

Welcome to the flock, bud! We all started as newbies, and I hope you find the answers to the questions you seek.

It is always a tremendous pleasure to see new folks around - we call them nuggets, because they're absolute gold to this community.  

Hey Mike, Golden Nugget here, lol,lol,lol.  

Yes, I know I will find the answers, already know after few tries, people like helping in general and my problems are solved after couple replies.

You know what I like the most about DCS adventure? The depth of the things you can learn between aircraft flying/navigating/combat and ME that gives you endless scenarios. I think it gives one who wants to learn (like me) just many great options.

OK, I already derailed the thread, so I better shut up before people will start taking me apart... lol,lol.

 

[WolfHound009]

On 7/31/2022 at 3:58 AM, CityBFM said:

yeah sorry man. my apologies for skepticism/questioning viability(what a detestable insufferable cretin I am) of information/content regarding the HBF14 from grim reapers and growling sidewinder that are either released prior to September-November 2020 OB update which is when an absolute paradigm shift in the HBF14B's performance not even remotely in a good way occurred on on my end(or everything else around it changed around me when I was flying in it). And/or also my skepticism of GS because he posts videos flying a PakFa, F22, F35, Su30, Rafale, EF2K mod and makes a clickbait titled video with it like it's an "officially licensed Rafale vs EF2K module dogfight" in DCS then says in fine print it's a mod or just overall vibe I get from his content that it's all canned versus whatever opponent he can find, prop up as a quality opponent, and beat. Not arguing the success of either channel. Clearly GR and GS both established a brand of content, have a large following, and large audience with the sponsorships they pull, but I have a hard time buying in to any of the info in their videos.

 

Bruv chill out. No one here is against u.