Any input on win 11 VS win 10 for DCS and how near future may change things?

[Gun Jam]

I suspect that by the end of this year I'll be building a new PC. Im planning on going 4090 and a 13th gen raptor lake. We will see how that stuff really performs vs the rumors when the time comes. The real question is will the OS  (win 10 vs 11) make any difference in DCS with the above hardware? IF DCS ever goes multicore / Vulkan would it then be an issue?

I have had ever version of windows except ME and 8. I even liked vista as I found visa to be the first win OS that did not degrade over time and or get wiped out by a virus. With all other versions of win in my case it was a fresh install every 6 months to a year. I ran VISTA for about 6 years on a single install and it was still fine. But I digress.  

My concern is that Win 11 is going to end up in the ME and 8 bin. A trash os that no one wanted, either a downgraded version of the last win (ME vs 98) or a cell ph os that has no business on a PC (win 8 ) I think in this case its going to be the ME vs 98 example where win 11 is the new os that is less functional than 10. However win 11 seems to be the only os that supports CPU scheduling for E core and P core CPUs.

What are the odds that I would see say in 2 years gains from having win 11 vs 10 because of E core and P core CPUs and DCS vulkan and multicore?

I do not want to build this new PC and then have to Change OS after a year because I made a mistake. Ive always manged to make OS changes during upgrades but win 11 looks crap and its making me ask these questions.

Any thoughts?

Thanks

[BuzzU]

My only thought is I hated Win 11. I guess i'm to used to Win 10. It's comfortable.

[BitMaster]

There is no reason not to move on to 11 unless you dislike Windows in general.

There aren't more of those BS-Apps installed as on 10, yes, it's not nice but it only takes you 5-10min to clear them all out, this goes for 10 & 11.

11 is also pretty rock solid ( it needs a solid hardware to run error free first off )  and by 2025 10 is EOL anyway, that's less than 3 years ahead.

 

It could also well be that as with many new CPU generations, they work best & fastest on the "currently" top-tier OS and that is 11, not 10.

 

 

[Rudel_chw]

I tried Win 11 for a few months, but it had several small annoyances until I just couldn’t stand it anymore … this week I reinstalled Windows 10, and it just works better, no annoyances so far.

[Weed89]

i have ZERO intention on win 11   i do not have a apple pc or PHONE for a reason   i think win 11 is 1 step closer to APPLE  ( you have control of NOTHING)

Edited August 29, 2022 by Weed89

[Antiguedad]

Windows 11 22H2 will have a better support for multimonitor windowed mode, removing almost all the latency introduced by the DWM.exe. I've tried it in a windows insider preview and it's a MUST HAVE for people exporting views to a second monitor like me. It's THE really game-changer from windows 10, but nobody is talking about it.

[Gun Jam]

7 hours ago, Rudel_chw said:

I tried Win 11 for a few months, but it had several small annoyances until I just couldn’t stand it anymore … this week I reinstalled Windows 10, and it just works better, no annoyances so far.

Were you not able to find a "mod" or tweak to get rid of those issues? All versions on win usually have one or 2 things that suck about them but I've always been able to find a way to get rid of a "cortana" or some  widget or lame weather / news crapplet screwing up my viewing space. What issues did you see that were deal breakers and not easily modded?

Thanks

-Gun

Edited August 30, 2022 by Gun Jam

[Rudel_chw]

3 hours ago, Gun Jam said:

What issues did you see that were deal breakers and not easily modded?

The biggest issues were that it didnt properly supported my audio card, a pretty old creative audigy; it had trouble with the software of my ancient hotas, a TM Cougar; and somehow it lost the ability to show image thumbnails and it was impossible to restore that ability. 

[Lurker]

There is absolutely no reason to switch to Windows 11, it offers absolutely nothing new other than a new GUI and more bloatware and indeed in most "real-life" tests it performs exactly the same or even worse than Windows 10. Even the famed TPM i.e. the E and P core support touted by Intel to be the next best thing since sliced bread is mostly just marketing. In DCS as in most other games, you will NOT be using the E cores, and if you care about using less Watt/Mhz, then just go team red, as AMD has been killing Intel in that department for years. 

[Hiob]

Regardless of what you think about W11 (or windows in general), W11 is pretty much W10 with a "new" (more like overhauled) GUI and some new features nobody really needs.

It runs DCS just fine with absolutely no penalty in FPS or stability (I did a direct A/B-test on my ryzen system). Every possibility of setting it up is still the same as it was in W10, just sometimes a little hidden.

I installed it out of curiosity (and boredom), absolutely ready to revert to my backup in a blink - but it turned out, that it worked just fine and every annoyance (why tf did they feel the need to move "that" item to "that" place") could eventuelly be overcome by some little tweaks or mods (looking at you, context menu).

It will mature over the next patches as W10 did in the beginning and be just fine in the end. For now I occasionally role my eyes but am mostly fine with it.

[hsth]

@Rudel_chw, I had this problem with the analyser.exe. It would run in W10 but not anymore in W11. For me it is the best program to check that the stick is centered very precise.

Turns out, after uninstalling Foxy completely I installed these drivers 2007_hco_vista_64_rc1.exe from https://support.thrustmaster.com/en/product/hotascougar-en/ and now the program works again with Foxyv4.

Maybe give it a try?

[Ramstein]

I have Win11. I would say stay with Win10. Win11 has more work to be done, and I don't think it is proven it is any faster. Plus, it won't work in most older computers, at least without a hack.

 

Win11 website and forums keeps up to date info.

[Rudel_chw]

1 hour ago, hsth said:

Maybe give it a try?

I already tried it during several months and concluded that Win 11 isnt worth the hassle, there were no pros to compensate the cons.

[SilentSierra]

On 8/30/2022 at 7:52 AM, Rudel_chw said:

I already tried it during several months and concluded that Win 11 isnt worth the hassle, there were no pros to compensate the cons.

I will purchase Ryzen 7, people said that it has performance issues, but I'm afraid that Windows 11 will be inevitable in the future.

Do you know somebody with good experience with Windows 11 flying DCS World?

[Rudel_chw]

1 hour ago, SilentSierra said:

Do you know somebody with good experience with Windows 11 flying DCS World?

 

In the real world, none of my friends plays DCS ... but here on the Forum I have read people that seems happy with Win 11.

[SilentSierra]

I heard about Ryzen didn't work fine with it, but I have a developer license and I can install the Windows 11.

I expect the DCS World works fine with it.

[MadKreator]

Ive run win 11 since the day they let you download it. Never had any issues with dcs, stemming from win 11 itself. 

[BitMaster]

^^ SAME HERE

running it on multiple machines since preview/beta phase and no real issues with it, neither with 10 on numerous machines, both are very reliable if you pick the right HW and treat them right. If you do the bad stuff yourself, no OS will be better or worse I am afraid and may add.

Haven't personally had someone say" put 10 back on there", they all liked it and honestly, it is not much different in how you approach your PC and use it.

My advice is, move forward, Win10 has 2025 as EndOfLife date btw.

 

 

 

 

[BitMaster]

vor 20 Stunden schrieb SilentSierra:

I heard about Ryzen didn't work fine with it, but I have a developer license and I can install the Windows 11.

I expect the DCS World works fine with it.

iirc that is an old issue that's been solved long ago with a new MS scheduler introduced in one of the Builds that followed after the Ryzen release. 

 

 

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